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    Per Simon Briggs at The Telegraph today: "Tennis is on the verge of a belated Moneyball revolution. As of the spring, the Association of Tennis Professionals – who run the men’s tour – are planning to open up ball-tracking data from every match to all their players and coaches."
    Exclusive: Historically the sport has kept quality data out of the reach of the players, who could benefit the most from their analysis


    Problem is, what do does do with a massive dataset of 4.5m shots?

    "The shift will do much to level what has previously been an unequal playing field. Until now, millionaire players such as the “Big Four” men have had the opportunity to buy better-quality data analysis than their less wealthy rivals.

    One might imagine that access to data would be a basic right for all leading professionals. In fact, anyone wanting to use the information gathered by Hawk-Eye – the leading ball-tracking providers since 2014 – has had to pay a ?150 processing fee per match. On top of that, tour rules say that you can only order data from matches that you actually played in.

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    >“The exact roll-out is being worked on,” Hutchins added, “but we are looking to bring player- and ball-tracking online from every ATP tournament. We’re hoping to make this happen by the second quarter of 2023, and then bring in wearable technology – such as heart monitors and GPS location devices – by the second half of the year.”

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    The last time that Telegraph Sport investigated this area, Germany’s No1 Alexander Zverev told us that “All the big guys are using data analysis, they just don’t like to talk about it.”

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    "So what are the kinds of insight that a big company can provide? “A lot of added value is obtained from using data richer than anything the human eye can detect,” said Ben Depoorter, GSA’s vice-president of player analytics. “Hawk-Eye’s ball-tracking system generates millions of data points. And the insights that show up are not always what you might expect.

    “For instance, when Djokovic hits a second serve wide to your backhand from the advantage court [which is on your right-hand side as you prepare to return], returning to his backhand is the best pattern in most instances. That’s no surprise. But where and how on the ad side makes all the difference.

    “Contrary to most expectations, Djokovic is actually outstanding with his backhand on fast returns that are hit towards his feet, and weaker on balls that land short but with more of an angle, because he likes to hit on the rise. People come in with set ideas about what works – and the only way to disprove their preconceptions is with data.”

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    Wonder if any of this will ever be public?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by johnyandell View Post
      Wonder if any of this will ever be public?
      From your post to the ATP brass' ears.

      At the least, one can expect the data set to leak if its in the hands of hundreds of players and their teams.

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      • #4
        I have watched hundreds of tennis matches over the years and can interpret the 'ebb and flow', tactics, and key moments just about as well as anyone. But you can't watch every single aspect of a match and this is where data becomes invaluable. It sees the things we all miss and fills in the gaps...gives greater understanding.

        If I were a pro player I would study the data all the time. I think I would win more matches with it than without it.
        Stotty

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        • #5
          Stotty, I was wondering if you've tested the Swingvision app which has been adopted by the LTA (and others), and supposedly given to some coaches. It looks tempting, but I'm dithering over the subscription fee. The data produced looks really useful.
          Last edited by glacierguy; 01-13-2023, 12:59 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by stotty View Post
            I have watched hundreds of tennis matches over the years and can interpret the 'ebb and flow', tactics, and key moments just about as well as anyone. But you can't watch every single aspect of a match and this is where data becomes invaluable. It sees the things we all miss and fills in the gaps...gives greater understanding.

            If I were a pro player I would study the data all the time. I think I would win more matches with it than without it.
            I always liked Tom Peters business book "In Search of Excellence", where he hammered on need for metrics, but also had these conflicting quotes:

            "The numbers will set you free"

            But beware "Paralysis by analysis" <g>

            Analytics have revolutionized every other major sport, not just tactics, but changing technique as well. Why not tennis?

            MLB numbers showed launch angle 35% plus exit velocity of 100 mph = home run. Now, batters swings match those numbers and home runs are up. The swing shape is literally stat driven.

            NBA showed taking three pointers is more productive than taking long 2's, so players are literally stepping backwards to take longer shots.

            San Francisco 49ers are into the playoffs quarterbacked by the last player taken in the draft "Mr. Irrelevance" who runs coach Shanahan's offense more like a basketball point guard than a big dude that slings the ball 70 yards.

            What will widespread access to the data set do to change tennis?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by glacierguy View Post
              Stotty, I was wondering if you've tested the Swingvision app which has been adopted by the LTA (and others), and supposedly given to some coaches. It looks tempting, but I'm dithering over the subscription fee. The data produced looks really useful.
              Apologies, GG. I missed this post. In answer to your question, I haven't used Swingvision, but it looks an interesting app if it truly does what it says on the tin. The LTA are big on getting coaches to accurately chart matches so it's no surprise they are heavily promoting Swingvision.

              Stotty

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              • #8
                Originally posted by stotty View Post

                Apologies, GG. I missed this post. In answer to your question, I haven't used Swingvision, but it looks an interesting app if it truly does what it says on the tin. The LTA are big on getting coaches to accurately chart matches so it's no surprise they are heavily promoting Swingvision.
                No worries stotty, thanks for reply. I downloaded the free version which allows 2 hrs analysis per month. It is impressive - automatically cuts all deadtime, hitting position for every shot, bounce position for every shot, average shot speeds, loads of filters like backhands only, forehands only. And there's more as you can read from their website. The LTA partnership means LTA members get 15% off subscription. Still thinking about it...

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