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  • #16
    Originally posted by seano View Post
    Jim - Here you go

    ATP forehand comparison - My summary of BGs research -

    4 Pillars of Type 3 FH -
    1) Fractionation - assigning racquet head velocities to unique body sources
    2) Independent Arm Motion
    3) Linear Hand Path
    4) Neuromuscular Enhancement of Vertical Racquet Head Speed

    Type III – Ideal type of forehand
    - Positional backswing that's elbow driven
    - Racquet is above and to the outside of the hand. Hand to the outside of arm. Arm to outside of torso
    - Hand/racquet is extended well beyond shoulder in the backswing
    - Significant independent arm motion w/clear sequencing of hip/torso/independent arm – 3 link system
    - Sequencing mitigates load on shoulder
    - Pulling force of the hand forward has large inertial effect (lag) and creates the “flip”
    - "Flip" directly effects and externally rotates the shoulder
    - External to internal coupling mechanism is driven by the racquet in the "flip".
    - Contact well in front of body
    - Elbow is maintained straight (165 – 180 degrees)
    - Non-twisting shoulder creates the speed component, while the shoulder external to internal coupling creates the spin component of the heavy ball
    - Spin comes from shoulder
    - Follow throughs are situational


    ATP Classical - most common forehand style
    - Functional backswing that’s shoulder driven with raised elbow
    - Racquet is above and to the outside of the hand. Hand to the outside of arm. Arm to outside of torso
    - Hand/racquet closer to body in backswing – CREATING NEED FOR HAND SPEED BEING BROUGHT INTO THE FORWARD SWING
    - Less independent arm motion than type 3, moderately linear hand path
    - Rotation sequences are less distinct, i.e. less clear sequencing of hip/torso/arm
    - Shoulder external rotation mechanism altered. “Flip” & rotating racquet adding to inertia of forearm which then externally rotates the shoulder. Classical FH = shoulder + forearm, Type 3 = Just shoulder
    - Elbow is bent ( 120 – 165 degrees) at contact
    - Contact is closer to body than type 3 - Less inertia arm/racquet to pull through torso rotation
    - Hip/torso rotate more in tandem, the more bent the elbow is - Link system may be 2 (elbow more bent) or 3 (elbow less bent)
    - Hand has more vertical path through internal shoulder rotation - i.e. windshield wiper motion




    ATP Modern FH
    • Backswing is Positional, mostly elbow driven
    • Backswing is far more outside than the other types
    • Elbow tends to be very bent when forced into external shoulder rotation
    • Rotation sequencing more a unit rotation; body and arm together
    • Shoulder external rotation is PRIMARILY MUSCULARLY DRIVEN, which is the most significant difference with the other ATP types
    • “Flip” goes up, not down. Keeps racquet head above hand
    • Elbow bent at contact = 120 – 165 degrees
    • Minimal independent arm motion accelerating through torso rotation
    • Internal shoulder rotation is partially used to produce forward ball speed


    WTA Type II - forehand is the most common on the WTA tour.
    • Inside racquet position entering the forward swing, fundamental difference with all ATP types
    • Shoulder external rotation occurs during the backswing, rather than during the forward swing like the ATP types.
    • Circular swing path with a bent elbow and minimal independent arm motion
    • Unit swing, body and arm rotate in tandem (no sequencing)
    • Most functional backswing of all FH types
    • Elbow bend at contact = 90 – 120 degrees
    • Best suited for hitting hard and flat (little variability)
    • Does not have great solutions for certain incoming shots like higher balls
    • If upper arm is vertical, when you internally rotate, the shoulder will produce motions in two directions (up & forward). Violating the fractionation principle
    Thoughts?

    Sean

    Seano, this is quite a shopping list. Thanks so much for doing this. Actually, having a biomechanical checklist is a great way to go about coaching performance players.
    Stotty

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    • #17
      Scotty, thanks for moving this to its own thread.

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