And now back to business as usual, Nadal at -134 to win the tournament, Novak at +250, followed by Stefanos at +1400, Stan +2500.
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Tsitsipas goes down in 3 in his 1st match of the tournament, 2nd round vs Sinner. Tsitsipas lost the first set 6-0, fought back and won 2nd set in a tiebreaker, to his credit, but lost 6-2 in the 3rd. Sinner played very well, looking very comfortable on clay. Stefanos and Stan of course were the distant 3 and 4 favorites after Nadal and Novak. Novak looked clinical in his 1st match/2nd round win. Nadal is coming up soon with his 1st match vs PCB. Certainly no easy ask.Last edited by stroke; 09-16-2020, 07:38 AM.
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Nadal is absolutely putting a beatdown on PCB, who is probably one of the top 5 clay courters in the world. His positional model type 3 forehand is beyond brutal. Soderling, Fabio, and Novak are the only players I have seen that have ever bested Nadal on clay. Fabio would be a massive reach to repeat. We will see about Novak.
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Originally posted by stroke View PostNadal is absolutely putting a beatdown on PCB, who is probably one of the top 5 clay courters in the world. His positional model type 3 forehand is beyond brutal. Soderling, Fabio, and Novak are the only players I have seen that have ever bested Nadal on clay. Fabio would be a massive reach to repeat. We will see about Novak.Stotty
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Originally posted by stotty View Post
Novak is the only player that can do it. Last year at the FO Novak had him in his sights until a 50 mph wind blew up. I really do believe if Novak hits his best form he can beat Rafa on clay, be it in Rome or Paris. We'll see.
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Lorenzo Musetti takes out Kei in 2 looking very good in doing so. Stan, now Kei, 1st 2 rounds, just a typical Masters 1000. He has a Thiem/Tsitsipas type style,only 18. The way he is playing, it would be very interesting to see him vs Novak or Rafa. He is a righty with a beautiful 1 handed backhand, which historically(ha) has not been a good match up vs Nadal.Last edited by stroke; 09-17-2020, 01:33 PM.
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Musetti could meet Novak if they both get through their matches. Anyone coming up now will be interesting as the old guard must change in the next two years...no one fights time. At least anyone Musetti's age won't have time develop the inferiority complex the others have versus Novak, Rafa, and Roger.
I don't think anyone one-hander can match Rafa outside of Roger...and even he is no match whatsoever on clay.Stotty
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Originally posted by stotty View PostMusetti could meet Novak if they both get through their matches. Anyone coming up now will be interesting as the old guard must change in the next two years...no one fights time. At least anyone Musetti's age won't have time develop the inferiority complex the others have versus Novak, Rafa, and Roger.
I don't think anyone one-hander can match Rafa outside of Roger...and even he is no match whatsoever on clay.
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Originally posted by stroke View PostLorenzo Musetti takes out Kei in 2 looking very good in doing so. Stan, now Kei, 1st 2 rounds, just a typical Masters 1000. He has a Thiem/Tsitsipas type style,only 18. The way he is playing, it would be very interesting to see him vs Novak or Rafa. He is a righty with a beautiful 1 handed backhand, which historically(ha) has not been a good match up vs Nadal.
I wonder when they will get around to fixing this issue with Lorenzo Musetti - he is 18, and he not grasping basic concepts. It's too bad he is having some success against some beat up pro's who don't really want to be on the tour right now because they have kids/families and tennis is #2 to them now understandably.
This Kei kid is real interesting - no propensity whatsoever to be a great athlete whatsoever, but you can see his team did a great job with squeezing every ounce of juice out of him! What a great worker - and he maximizes the limited tools he has in his box. So many guys at the pro level with more ability - but, this guy has put in more of the "right athletic work" than his peers. Overachiever - rare, rare, rare player Kei, and I respect that work ethic. He's on his last legs now and looks pretty beat up - but, I like his smarts. Doesn't have that pro tennis body - but, young kids can learn watching him - I bet 100% he will be a terrific coach when he is done his career.Last edited by hockeyscout; 09-18-2020, 01:45 AM.
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Technically to me, Musetti may have the most promising clay court game I have seen for his age(among this new generation). His backhand looks as solid as Thiem's, and his forehand looks at least closer to a model type 3 than a classic type 3, and it is a huge weapon. His movement on clay is top shelf, and his serve is very good. Like Thiem, he has a very reliable kick 2nd serve.
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Originally posted by stroke View PostTechnically to me, Musetti may have the most promising clay court game I have seen for his age(among this new generation). His backhand looks as solid as Thiem's, and his forehand looks at least closer to a model type 3 than a classic type 3, and it is a huge weapon. His movement on clay is top shelf, and his serve is very good. Like Thiem, he has a very reliable kick 2nd serve.
Last edited by hockeyscout; 09-18-2020, 02:42 AM.
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Originally posted by stotty View PostAnyone coming up now will be interesting as the old guard must change in the next two years...no one fights timeLast edited by hockeyscout; 09-18-2020, 04:23 AM.
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