I personally would say all these players I mentioned just have some version of a western grip with their palm pretty much facing up(if they were to open their hand) at contact. Anything past that is in the Hawaiian category. I am not sure what you mean by extreme western grip. Kohlschreiber to me is a 30's player with a western grip but it could be classified as a strong semi western I guess.
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Originally posted by stroke View PostI personally would say all these players I mentioned just have some version of a western grip with their palm pretty much facing up(if they were to open their hand) at contact. Anything past that is in the Hawaiian category. I am not sure what you mean by extreme western grip. Kohlschreiber to me is a 30's player with a western grip but it could be classified as a strong semi western I guess.
He also notes that a modified eastern grip is the one used by Federer.
Each of these has tradeoffs but as John notes the more western the grip the harder it is to hit on the rise and to attack.
This eventually becomes a liability.
I also wonder if Rafa has made his grip less extreme over time.
John, Is Rafa's grip less extreme no that back when you wrote your grip articles.
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Originally posted by nytennisaddict View Post
nice. i'm a canon guy myself... wwas considering the 300f2.8 and 400f2.8 when my kids' were playing soccer, but then they wanted me to coach instead.... can't justify the cost for anything else.... but those were great pics. i'll have to settle for using my 70-200f2.8+1.4x extender on 7d body.
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Originally posted by jimlosaltos View Post
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Originally posted by doctorhl View Post
Forty years ago the tennis community would have deemed this stroke incapable of success. Could you place this pic between a selected pro fh of forty years ago and a photoshopped fh of forty years in the future? Perhaps forum members could submit to you futuristic drawings to help with the photoshop. I enjoy your work.
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Originally posted by johnyandell View PostArturo,
Rafa could be slightly less extreme now or not...haven't filmed him in a couple of years.
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Originally posted by jimlosaltos View Post
Thanks! Just saw this. Imagining a forehand of 40 years in the future? My head is spinning. What will the equipment be? / jim
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I think players have grips further round than they used to. Some are so close to full western there's barely any difference. Once upon a time, when surfaces were much more diverse, it wasn't possible. But now, because most surfaces offer a true and higher bounce, it's probably beneficial to have extreme grips. Personally I would like to see ATP tweak their tournament surfaces a bit. Let's have some slicker, lower bouncing courts, just to liven things up a bit.
The main problem with extreme grips is the player is almost bound to be one dimensional. I have never seen a player with an extreme forehand grip with a fluent slice backhand, not in the mode of a Roger or a Newcombe, anyway.Stotty
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