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  • #61
    I swear I hadn't read this before this last post. Seems that doctors agree.

    After struggling through his fourth-round loss, what will the former No.1 do now?

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    • #62
      What about Dimitrov's serve. He imitated Fed but then he seems to pause too long. Fed just moves through this idiosyncracy smoothly.

      Imitation is great until it is not.

      In Dimitrov's case it leads to a muscled second serve that is unreliable leading to double faults.

      Should we start the discussion on Junior serve training again?

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      • #63
        It will be unlucky if Novak has to have an operation that puts him out for another 6 months or so. I thought he made a really good account of himself in the tournament. His baseline game wasn't that far off considering the length of time he's had out of the game, and he was moving really well. His serve was an issue and I'd much rather he stuck with his full wind up. His old serve had become so dependable. I don't get how the abbreviated wind up helps the elbow?

        If he can get healthy, it's all still there if you ask me.
        Stotty

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        • #64
          Federer's comeback was phenomenal. Up to now, only Nadal came close. Murray, Wawrinka and Djokovic won't make it I feel. It will be Federer versus the newcomers...

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          • #65
            I saw Djokovic's matches and he looked great. I think the serve may be where he feels the elbow. But the cause to me is in his flexibility. I don't know why the forehand has always hurt me when I watched him hit it.

            The newcomers are coming and it is not the one's we expected.

            It's almost better to have less pressure as a junior...

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            • #66
              I think Kyle Edmund is a revelation. He's my countryman and I didn't see this coming. Like Zverez and Thiem, he, too, will now have to deal with expectation from now on. That's not easy. Even Roger had trouble with that one early on in his career.

              Edmund versus Cilic is a match I am really looking forward too. If Cilic plays his best, Edmund won't match it, but if he doesn't, I think Edmund can win. Edmund is a typical northerner...honest and down to earth. Crucially, he believes in himself, and he has Murray, who is as shrewd as they come, to call on for advice and support.
              Stotty

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              • #67
                Originally posted by arturohernandez View Post
                I saw Djokovic's matches and he looked great. I think the serve may be where he feels the elbow. But the cause to me is in his flexibility. I don't know why the forehand has always hurt me when I watched him hit it.

                The newcomers are coming and it is not the one's we expected.

                It's almost better to have less pressure as a junior...

                I guess at this point we are all kind of just repeating our self, but I think Fed's inimitable perfect technique is what has enabled him to continue on(at the very top of the game) age wise past what anyone thought possible. Novak's forehand, like most players, does seem somewhat physically taxing. Roger, with that straight arm and perfect head position, looks totally relaxed, no strain. He is the Michael Jordon of tennis. I do not think we will see another, Jordon or Roger.

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                • #68
                  When Djokovic got Stepanek on his team, I thought it was to work on his volley game, and to do what Federer did with Edberg. Saw no sign of it.

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                  • #69
                    4-5 Roger breaks back. Such a shame. Berdych tightened up a bit there...stopped going for the lines. Berdych needs to get this first set to make a game of it.
                    Stotty

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by stotty View Post
                      4-5 Roger breaks back. Such a shame. Berdych tightened up a bit there...stopped going for the lines. Berdych needs to get this first set to make a game of it.
                      I think we all feel the same way. Tomas certainly needs the 1st set to make a go of it.

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                      • #71
                        Berdych goes a set down. Shame because he had the luck and run of play throughout much of that first set. It may be a little dull from here. I think Roger will start to expose Berdych far inferior movement more and more.

                        Let's hope Novak can get fit again or Roger will be winning slams until he's 40 at this rate.
                        Stotty

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                        • #72
                          All About Novak Djokovic...The Elbow

                          Originally posted by don_budge View Post
                          The Book is Bill Tilden...
                          In Chung's win over Zverev he neatly attacked the forehand to open up the backhand. This is perhaps technically attacking the other player's strength typically. Against the two hand backhand this is particularly effective as the marginal limit in reach on the backhand is exposed by opening up the court. Chung has done this a couple of times against Djokovic and it looks rather clever. Now he will serve for the set at 5-4. A big moment for the young man.

                          Djokovic looks just a bit shaky on his feet. It is questionable if he is actually match tough and can withstand the pressure over five sets. As tennis_chiro noted a major strength of Chung is movement and he looks to have tree trunks for legs. This gives him the appearance of being considerable shorter than he actually is. It will be a war of attrition if Chung can take out the legs of the older and perhaps less well conditioned Djokovic. Does the two handed backhand eventually become a liability when movement becomes less with age?

                          Originally posted by don_budge View Post
                          Boy oh Boy...
                          Two tie-breaks end simultaneously. Sandgren loses his to Thiem...two sets all. Into the fifth. Chung wins his against Djokovic. I almost feel it was more imperative that Djokovic win the first set than Chung. Chung now has the luxury of facing a long battle against the older and more questionably fit Djokovic. Very interesting.

                          Sandgren is in unknown territory. A fifth set being deep in the draw of a Grand Slam. Let's see how he handles the pressure.
                          Originally posted by don_budge View Post
                          It looks like Djokovic may be on the ropes...going down. Chung 3-0 in the second. Djokovic is tweaking with his arm and flexing his fingers. Arm trouble? Sandgren and Thiem on serve in the fifth going toe to toe. Thiem saved the match for himself at this point with two unbelievable down the line backhands in the tie-break. One of them was on match point for Sandgren.
                          The 2018 Australian Open may have been an inconclusive tournament for Novak Djokovic and it might be too early to jump to conclusions. He looked to play rather well in spots but when push came to shove and he was jp against an opponent who could take the heat and return it with interest he fell short. The argument can be made that he simply was not match tough. When things started to get hot and heavy against the younger Chung I could almost visibly see that the legs of Djokovic seemed to be buckling. He wasn't match tough and understandably so. It took a really strong opponent to exploit this too.

                          I believe that when he lost the first set to Chung it really took the air out of his sails. He knew that this opponent had the stuff that was going to weather anything he had to offer and he wouldn't be making any unnecessary unforced errors. This turned out to be the case.

                          The elbow is an interesting issue. I question if this sort of injury should be a career ending problem. I remember having elbow issues when I was playing tournaments. I took a lot of aspirin. You learn to deal with the pain and eventually it went away. It appears to be pain on the inside of the elbow Djokovic is trying to manage and this is indicative of problems with the forehand. Baseball pitchers often deal with pain like this all of their careers. It isn't funny but you learn to bite the bullet.

                          There isn't any reason for Novak to panic in this regard as I think with time he will either resolve the problem or learn how to deal with the pain. I remember having this problem for the better part of a year or more. I played really well that year and I remember waking up on the day of the semi's and finals having to slowly straightening my arm and working some movement into it. Some more aspirin. Warm-up. Once the ball drops its game on. No sense on advertising my problem to my opponent. After a while I didn't feel a thing...until after the match. Start the procedure again. Straighten. Aspirin. Stretch. Game on.

                          With regards to the service backswing change. It is of no consequence. I base this conclusion on the results. His serve looked just fine. Richard Gonzales made a similar change in his backswing and went to a more abbreviated backswing. Perhaps a little less aesthetically pleasing but equally functional. If he feels it takes a little pressure off of his elbow...it's a mental thing.

                          Perhaps the difficulty that Novak will have is that it will make it difficult to practice. But at this point in his career practice shouldn't be so important. It is more important to be mentally prepared to do what you have to do. It will be interesting to see how he adapts to this situation. The survival of the fittest is not the strongest or even the smartest...it is the one who adapts the best.

                          Originally posted by stroke View Post
                          I guess at this point we are all kind of just repeating our self, but I think Fed's inimitable perfect technique is what has enabled him to continue on(at the very top of the game) age wise past what anyone thought possible. Novak's forehand, like most players, does seem somewhat physically taxing. Roger, with that straight arm and perfect head position, looks totally relaxed, no strain. He is the Michael Jordon of tennis. I do not think we will see another, Jordon or Roger.
                          stroke is right in this regard. But it isn't solely about Roger's technique. The thing is Federer has more options than the rest of the cookie cutter modern players. It would be in Djokovic's interest to have a Plan B when he goes out on the court but as we saw against Chung...there is no Plan B. Merely the same old Plan A. Federer is showing as I type that he has Plans A, B and C. He wasn't playing well at all in his start against Berdych but he managed to bring Tomas down to his level where he could beat him. Can Novak do this? If he can I haven't seen it.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by gzhpcu View Post
                            When Djokovic got Stepanek on his team, I thought it was to work on his volley game, and to do what Federer did with Edberg. Saw no sign of it.
                            It simply is not in the Djokovic DNA at this point. If Boris Becker could not make an impression on the Djokovic game in this regard it ain't going to happen. With regard to Federer...he was a serve and volley player early in his career. He followed every single first and second serve to the net in a match with Pete Sampras in the year 2000. It is at least in his DNA.
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                            • #74
                              It's power Berdych needs from here on in. He had it in the first set then just pulled back on the throttle when it was vital to keep it going. Once he eases off and let's Roger slice, poke and prod him around it's all over. Berdych just had to be a bit braver at the close of that first set.

                              I don't think Berdych has a cat in hell's chance from here but you never know. Miracles can happen.
                              Stotty

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                              • #75
                                Roger Federer at his Best...when he is at his Worst

                                Originally posted by stotty View Post
                                4-5 Roger breaks back. Such a shame. Berdych tightened up a bit there...stopped going for the lines. Berdych needs to get this first set to make a game of it.
                                Originally posted by stroke View Post
                                I think we all feel the same way. Tomas certainly needs the 1st set to make a go of it.
                                Originally posted by stotty View Post
                                It's power Berdych needs from here on in. He had it in the first set then just pulled back on the throttle when it was vital to keep it going. Once he eases off and let's Roger slice, poke and prod him around it's all over. Berdych just had to be a bit braver at the close of that first set.

                                I don't think Berdych has a cat in hell's chance from here but you never know. Miracles can happen.
                                At the beginning of the first set I had a very bad feeling about Roger Federer. I had the feeling that he really didn't want to be there. He wanted to be anywhere but in front of thousands of people with high expectations for his performance and television. All of it. It seemed that he felt tired...maybe just a tad old.

                                Tomas Berdych came out firing and Roger just couldn't seem to feel his legs. His feet were in a jumbo and he couldn't find any rhythm. So what does the Swiss Maestro do? He pulls out Plans A, B, C...thru Z. He threw everything including the kitchen sink at Berdych and Tomas didn't have any answers. Match Play and Spin of the Ball...Federer realized he couldn't find his A game and Berdych apparently had his so he brought Berdych down to his level where he could beat him.

                                On one key point he threw a seemingly innocuous sliced, chipped forehand at the Berdych backhand and Tomas played right into the Federer hand and drove the ball long.

                                This was an amazing performance by Federer who relied on tactical acumen to win that first set. He couldn't beat Berdych with straight on power so he did it with spin and placement. He dictated the pace of the match and effectively slowed the game down so he could get some breathing room. He started to relax and serve better and by the time they got to the tie-break Federer was flying again and Berdych was left with grasping at straws. A superb performance. He even used a bit of a dispute in his favour. Stalling just a bit and making Berdych wait just an extra second to two. The issue wasn't winnable but he used a bit of gamesmanship. A little unusual for Federer but he brought it in under the radar so it didn't look too obvious or ridiculous. The man has impeccable timing. Command of the moment.
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