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    Check this out, it's rather shocking to me. Federer in 2000. What do you think of the evolution? I am kind of surprised to see how he hit the ball when he was 18 or 19. Boy, he sure matured meteorically.

    don_budge, what are you seeing in terms of changes and evolution in the service motion. Boy, it looks so slick and fluid. Just effortless. It looks like that motion was light years ahead of the rest of his game. What do you think?
    Last edited by hockeyscout; 10-07-2016, 12:29 PM.

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    The Portents of Things to Come...

    Originally posted by hockeyscout View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiyhciCKS_A

    Check this out, it's rather shocking to me. Federer in 2000. What do you think of the evolution? I am kind of surprised to see how he hit the ball when he was 18 or 19. Boy, he sure matured meteorically.

    don_budge, what are you seeing in terms of changes and evolution in the service motion. Boy, it looks so slick and fluid. Just effortless. It looks like that motion was light years ahead of the rest of his game. What do you think?
    Shocking? Well maybe. But it was merely the portents of things to come. This was the original "Baby Fed"...he has just shed every ounce of baby fat and he is on the verge of becoming a genuine wrecking machine. Look at that silky smooth service motion. Scroll down a bit in the comments under the video and one person observes..."Fed's serve looked like Sampras's here lol. Same movement." I'm not so certain that the motions are all that similar but one thing is for very certain...they were both perfect. Federer started to show at the age of 19 here that he had massive potential. He is right on time too. He is maturing and peaking at just the right age. Not too soon...not too late. He wasn't just a junior player wonder which is what you are going to get with the assembly line manufacturing of tennis players nowadays. His is the complete classic game. Complete with massive serve and volley. Check out the Wimbledon quarterfinal between he and Pete Sampras a year later. He arrived...just in time to mark the 2001 "Stanley Kubrick" culmination point in tennis.

    Ironically it was none other than Goran Ivanisevic that wins Wimbledon in 2001 creating an alarm to the tennis powers that be...the tennis lack of brain trust...that further engineering was needed on a broken game. The big equipment broke it...now it was too fast in 2001. You can see in the video of Ivanisevic that he is more or less a "one hit" wonder...a big serve and the rest of his game quite iffy. Compared to "Baby Fed" his game is rather incomplete. But as it was in 2001 the game started another phase of engineering that would slow it down to it's present form...endless baseline dueling.



    You can see the progression in the two videos. The one that you posted Federer was just starting to evolve into the men's game. He was nipping at the heels of some of the top professionals sending notice that he was coming. In 2001 he catches Pete Sampras...a great, great champion in his own right and beats him at his own game. Serve and volley. Notice in the video that the points are incredibly short. Look at the clean work. These players were only one step removed from the classic game and remnants were still rather apparent. But the racquets in the hands of trained professionals made the game much too quick...much too fast.

    In 1968 you had the culmination point where the game was opened to the professionals in the traditional amateur world of Grand Slams and otherwise. In 1984...the Orwellian culmination point of the big equipment took permanent hold when for the first time in a Grand Slam all four men contestants in the U. S. Open semifinals used the over-sized equipment. Here in the 2001 Stanley Kubrick culmination point you see the final effect of the oversized equipment...the game is too blazing fast. Now here we are in 2016/2017 and we are in a post Federer era of tennis...this is a culmination point and one can only imagine what is coming next. My guess is that it more and more resembles "Big Time Wrestling". A strong indication that I am on the right track is that guy named "The Joker" rules the roost now...a one dimensional player that would be totally lost if the conditions dictated that he had to play the forecourt and the net. The game is in ruins...no doubt about it. They must try to resurrect it somehow...and further engineering is probably in the horizon.

    The Federer Service Motion (FSM) is silky slick and silky smooth. It is just perfect. The proof is in the pudding. It has held up all of these years and never a sign of arm trouble. His tactical game is unparalleled in the Modern Era as well. There is nobody remotely serving to his tactical repertoire. Thanks for asking.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by don_budge View Post
      The Portents of Things to Come...



      Shocking? Well maybe. But it was merely the portents of things to come. This was the original "Baby Fed"...he has just shed every ounce of baby fat and he is on the verge of becoming a genuine wrecking machine. Look at that silky smooth service motion. Scroll down a bit in the comments under the video and one person observes..."Fed's serve looked like Sampras's here lol. Same movement." I'm not so certain that the motions are all that similar but one thing is for very certain...they were both perfect. Federer started to show at the age of 19 here that he had massive potential. He is right on time too. He is maturing and peaking at just the right age. Not too soon...not too late. He wasn't just a junior player wonder which is what you are going to get with the assembly line manufacturing of tennis players nowadays. His is the complete classic game. Complete with massive serve and volley. Check out the Wimbledon quarterfinal between he and Pete Sampras a year later. He arrived...just in time to mark the 2001 "Stanley Kubrick" culmination point in tennis.

      Ironically it was none other than Goran Ivanisevic that wins Wimbledon in 2001 creating an alarm to the tennis powers that be...the tennis lack of brain trust...that further engineering was needed on a broken game. The big equipment broke it...now it was too fast in 2001. You can see in the video of Ivanisevic that he is more or less a "one hit" wonder...a big serve and the rest of his game quite iffy. Compared to "Baby Fed" his game is rather incomplete. But as it was in 2001 the game started another phase of engineering that would slow it down to it's present form...endless baseline dueling.

      http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1g...ll-match_sport

      You can see the progression in the two videos. The one that you posted Federer was just starting to evolve into the men's game. He was nipping at the heels of some of the top professionals sending notice that he was coming. In 2001 he catches Pete Sampras...a great, great champion in his own right and beats him at his own game. Serve and volley. Notice in the video that the points are incredibly short. Look at the clean work. These players were only one step removed from the classic game and remnants were still rather apparent. But the racquets in the hands of trained professionals made the game much too quick...much too fast.

      In 1968 you had the culmination point where the game was opened to the professionals in the traditional amateur world of Grand Slams and otherwise. In 1984...the Orwellian culmination point of the big equipment took permanent hold when for the first time in a Grand Slam all four men contestants in the U. S. Open semifinals used the over-sized equipment. Here in the 2001 Stanley Kubrick culmination point you see the final effect of the oversized equipment...the game is too blazing fast. Now here we are in 2016/2017 and we are in a post Federer era of tennis...this is a culmination point and one can only imagine what is coming next. My guess is that it more and more resembles "Big Time Wrestling". A strong indication that I am on the right track is that guy named "The Joker" rules the roost now...a one dimensional player that would be totally lost if the conditions dictated that he had to play the forecourt and the net. The game is in ruins...no doubt about it. They must try to resurrect it somehow...and further engineering is probably in the horizon.

      The Federer Service Motion (FSM) is silky slick and silky smooth. It is just perfect. The proof is in the pudding. It has held up all of these years and never a sign of arm trouble. His tactical game is unparalleled in the Modern Era as well. There is nobody remotely serving to his tactical repertoire. Thanks for asking.

      I like the service motion at 19, best of all.

      Last edited by hockeyscout; 10-08-2016, 07:59 PM.

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      • #4
        The Motion plus Tactics equals Service Game...

        Originally posted by hockeyscout View Post

        I like the service motion at 19, best of all.
        What's not to like? But think of the beauty of a service motion like the beauty of a woman. At a young age a young woman's beauty can be so stunningly beautiful. It almost can hurt your eyes to gaze on her mesmerizing beauty. So perfect. So flawless. But it isn't until she is forty that all of the experience and wisdom begin to sink in and she truly becomes beautiful...her knowingness. A couple of lines in her face.

        Anyways...at 19 he certainly has a live arm doesn't he? But it isn't quite that lively after some 16 years on the professional tour. Think of baseball pitchers...how many last 16 years? With lively arms? Most likely if they last that long they will make accommodations in their throwing motions. Throwing nothing but knuckleballs at the end. But Federer really does have and had a perfect motion throughout the years. He was serving it tough right up until the end. He made the accommodations.

        Like a cagey pitcher he was factoring in everything...the count on the batter, the location, the tendencies of his opponents...the score. Everything. He was really, really tough with the ball in his hand. He was blasting away in his youth but towards the end he was sublime in his tactics...that's the difference between talking about the motion and talking about the actual service game. It's not possible to talk about one without the other.

        The ends must justify the means...and vice versa. The real beauty of Roger's motion is that it lasted all those years without injury. It changed a bit here and there to accommodate his stage in life. But the real POWER was in his CONTROL. Speed, spin and placement. Not to mention when.

        Clint Eastwood said that the best women are over forty.

        Last edited by don_budge; 10-08-2016, 10:48 PM. Reason: for clarity's sake...
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        • #5
          Like a Fine Wine...Great Service Motions!

          http://yourselectednews.com/youll-ge...m=referral&t=t

          Know what I mean?

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