Federer Clip! Changing the way we play, changing tennis instruction!

[johnyandell]

Right like Pete's forehand groundstroke grip on the returns, slidling 1/2 notch toward Agassi for groundstrokes--or so it appears to me...

[shootermcmarc0]

Yeah, I know its been asked a lot...its just that I read the grip guide from your book and didn't realize that there was two different eastern grips. I've seen some images from getty where it appears hes using the pure eastern, and it doesn't seem like a service return. I guess theres a possibility that he uses different variations knowingly or unknowingly on his groundstrokes. Is there any reason to believe that he uses a grip other than the eastern? For example, balls above the shoulder on clay. Because a lot of people seem to believe that he uses a semi western.

[johnyandell]

Doubt it. I'd read the Federer FH articles. It's discussed in detail there. they whole theory of top players using different grips on the same stroke is dubious if you ask me.

[lukman41985]

Rather than change grips, it would make more sense to switch the shape of the swing.

[ndevers]

Grips

Same grip, different hitting shape, different ball same Federer!!

[johnyandell]

I agree with the caption but couldn't open the video. Want to just paste the URL?

[shootermcmarc0]

Same grip, different hitting shape, different ball same Federer!!

nice clip. definitely a different looking swing, it goes way vertical.

[johnyandell]

Saw it. Yep there a lot more of that high speed stuff in the Federer FH articles in Advanced Tennis.

[Bungalow Bill]

Oscar Oscar Oscar Oscar Oscar. Oscar Oscar Oscar. Oscar Oscar Oscar Oscar Oscar Oscar Oscar. (Now take your temperature. Now your blood pressure. Now tell your goons to do the same.)

You hooooo, Bottle, where are youuuuuuuu? Did you run off?

[thereallovebone]

It's great to see the tennisplayer.net site has deteriorated into the tenniswarehouse board. Now you can voice your opinion and have it belittled
AND PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE!!

[johnyandell]

Sorry you feel that way. I do think that's a bit extreme though. (Even at TW the tone of the board flucutates a lot as I'm sure you know.) It's is true that BB speaks from the heart and can be somewhat harsh in his judgments. But I don't think (or hope) that the philosophy here is to belittle.

Some people do post with a certain, shall we say, certainty of view. Often times this comes off as arrogant or at least uninformed because it is not coming from a knowledge base--or posters make strong general statements that don't reflect an awareness of some of the great work on this site bearing directly on the point they are talking about.

I think I am guilty at times of being impatient myself sometimes when this happens.

[thereallovebone]

You can have a discussion with someone without belittling their point of view.

[johnyandell]

True enough, true enough.

The only point I will make is that a discussion is a two way conversation. I know the temptation well when you feel the dialogue is one way and that the arguments on the other side on not well founded or articulated...

I do think that most people are up for honest feedback--and some small percentage are not and will try to provoke others--if you read through that thread on acceleration on TW you can see this happening.

Personally I got frustrated enough that I went to the meta level and started questioning the assumptions and motives of other posters and I believe that was justified.

I don't feel my posts or BB's were being honored in the spirit it takes for a Forum to work. You don't have to agree--far from it--but if you are to disagree at least understand, acknowledge and respond specifically within the course of the discussion.


So another round of human behavior--but hopefully continuing to learn and understand tennis is still the main 98% of what is going on....

[Bungalow Bill]

It's great to see the tennisplayer.net site has deteriorated into the tenniswarehouse board. Now you can voice your opinion and have it belittled
AND PAY FOR THE PRIVILEGE!!

Well you have a choice. You can put me on ignore or not read any of my posts and you will never have to toil over spilled milk.

So what you're saying is "I am the one on TW that has caused the board there to plunge into a lousey board filled with ill advice and bad intentions. Actually you have your facts wrong.

In reality, (not bragging) it was Mahboob and I that helped build the board to what it is today. One of the best places to get your questions answered on how to improve ones tennis.

So I beg to differ. Ninety-nine of my posts are advice on how to play tennis better. With me provding thousands of posts, there will always be times I wake up on the wrong side of the bed, get bashed and bash back a little. It is the nature at times of an "argument".

[ruymendes1]

Very interesting aspect

Bungalow Bill,
I've read this post and tried to use a forced wrist release as I made contact whith the ball, and it seems to have made the forehand easier to hit and very powerfull.
The point you have mentioned that I found most interesting was the cause of the laid back wrist position being the looseness of the arm, that is, the player that hits very relaxed naturally takes the ideal hitting arm position.
I haven't read this concept anywhere else, the same is valid for the release of the wrist that you advocate.
Is there an article datailing the subject on the way? I think you are talking about manners to hit a forehand that can transform a just OK groundstroke into a near pro level one.
Ruy Mendes
Brazil