Borg's speed.

[10splayer]

I have heard that Usain Bolt is very good on ice skates.

Not as fast as Gretzky though. Oh wait, he's faster, which means...he's a better mover then Wayne on the ice..Oh wait, no it doesn't.

Which proves that the likes of Fed and DJOKER are terrible athletes.

Got it?

[stotty]

Not as fast as Gretzky though. Oh wait, he's faster, which means...he's a better mover then Wayne on the ice..Oh wait, no it doesn't.

Which proves that the likes of Fed and DJOKER are terrible athletes.

Got it?

Yeah...but wait a minute guys:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d6/44/c3/d644c38ac156b467e28e2fd6e2f1dcbd.jpg

[hockeyscout]

First off ...

I think it is just fantastic you are on this site as their is a lot of great information here to help you with your coaching aspirations. I hear your country has wonderful coaching certification programs, and its just super you have access to all of that information to help you grow as a coach. Good for you.

So, Slotty, you wanted to know why her head was doing what it was doing?Thanks for asking. Glad to share with you a few things.

Well ...

1.

How tall is she? 5'6"

2.

Do you notice her head has grown before her body (its big)?

3.

Explain to me how you would expect any athlete to control it their head (which is woman size), when they are a child and do not have the base strength to support it? Its a tougher job than you think. And, its hard with NBA athletes, big heads, and stabilising the eyes for three point shooting mechanics. Tough to do.

Think on it.

Its a different case study than what you may have seen where you are based.

You are coaching tennis players, I got kids with NBA frames here (two daughters, plus another girl who's dad is a African pro journeyman MMA fighter - his girl is going to be a big timer I think, small hands, and her daddy's footwork is first class).

Tennis is likely the wrong sport for all three, however, they all have real good rotator cuffs and enjoy hitting a heavy ball so I like their potential (all of them).

So, I have three kids who may end up being 7'0 - and its a different process. I have unique sets of problems, including the fact they have heads the size of king kong. Fortunately, my two girls have a dad who is 6'4", size 8.5 feet and small hands, so they are the same, and that solves 2/3 for me. If they chose to play basketball I would have major issues in the fact they could not palm the ball, and I would have to reinvent the next Moses Malone development pathways, so, thats life. God does not deliver perfect talented athletes to the world. Always something that is highly problematic that needs to be solved.

Head positioning -- sorry, have to disagree. Its not basic. I am dealing with two kids with heads like king kong, and that is going to be a tough deal to stabilise. You cannot expect a child who is 5'6, to do what Serena does at 5'9 (and 34). Maybe in a year. The big issue I face with bigger athletes is everything unravels overtime they grow, and dealing with something like head positioning with a twelve year old who is 6'5 is going to be an interesting task, especially a girl.

It is a process, much like her woman ATP swing of ten months ago which was corrected through proper muscle activations (and not through trying to change her hands). She went woman ATP, to a much radically different stroke in six months (as you can see in the video) which is more in line with a mans.

Anyways, that video is four months old you saw, and real bad, and we've progressed 40 - 60 percent. Young one says 60, and I say 40.

Her biggest deal with be positioning on the ball, and short concise strokes, because as I am sure you can see her wingspan is unusual, and she will get get injured if her motions are not short, concise and cleaner.

I have a tough job ahead of stabilising so many areas, as I have three 747 jumbo jets I am trying to park onto a small tennis runway.

Thanks for the comments, you're evaluation was on the ball, however, the hard part is obviously taking that visual assessment and fitting it into a program that will address it. Anyways, that is what I do.

However, I don't really like to engage tennis coaches who have not developed world number one players as I value that type of experience (just my preference, and nothing personal). So, lets kindly agree to disagree their and leave it at that.

For the kids you coach, you know enough, and are steps ahead of them anyways, however, for mine, I tend to surround them with the best of the best as that is simple enough for me to do and high end people want to be involved in our program after watching how we practice, and approach the development process.

And, BTW, it would be great if you would post videos of your eight year old girls - boys, so we could see how they stack up to our player over here in terms of how they are progressing and improving. We've played top ten ranked boys a year up from Czech and Austria (with the oldest one), but we're always curious to see the clip in which players are progressing at all levels of the game from all countries.

[hockeyscout]

Not as fast as Gretzky though. Oh wait, he's faster, which means...he's a better mover then Wayne on the ice..Oh wait, no it doesn't. Which proves that the likes of Fed and DJOKER are terrible athletes. Got it?

You still have not answered my five questions on your athlete who is Mister World Top 1500 player. Wasn't impressed. Poor athlete. You, and don_budge, should write a book on tennis. I can fund it. We can promote it. You two are first class bullshitters. People would believe it.

Look, pie in the sky ideas won't develop great players.

The wave of the future will be all athletics based principals, and if you are not up to speed a new wave of coaches will blow you right off the court. Happened in every sport, tennis is next. Watch, wait and see.

[gzhpcu]

This is what my training methodology does in developing eight year old girls.

I am developing three players, and they are all world class, and I might add great student as well and fluent in many languages. All-around kids.

This is my oldest daughter.

Ten months ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzTOWrEAqgc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUhCul6_ISc

This is four months ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Kwv_8B4SU

She is using soft balls in the video BTW (greens) as she is young.

This cute little girl is nine years old now, 5'6", and at least 40 - 60 percent better now (serious).

Here service motion is at the level of a good 14 year old boy, and its her best asset.

The groundstrokes are coming along nicely, and when I get her movement to where it needs to be she will be able to do a lot of things on the tennis court more efficiently without all the effort she is putting into things right now.

Problem is that clip is awfully short, blink my eyes and I miss it. Do you have a longer clip with her serving and playing a match?

Where is the beef? You know a picture is worth a thousand words. Less text and more videos please.

[hockeyscout]

Problem is that clip is awfully short, blink my eyes and I miss it. Do you have a longer clip with her serving and playing a match? Where is the beef? You know a picture is worth a thousand words. Less text and more videos please.

Nah, I don't think I will share any more video.

I will tease you guys.

That's it.

Trust me, in a match, she is a killer.

All three of my little girls are, and they are even better students and kids to boot.

Trust me, her service motion is majestic.

I have had enough of this site.

Its a bore.

I am out of here.

Viber message to my assistant -- cancel this site, its insane.

I like the articles, especially Geoff Williams and John Yandell.

Those two guys are awesome.

But this message board, its a National Enquirer type of distraction.

Later boys.

I will be back here in 2021, and at that time I will take a page from Mr. Richard Williams book and say ... "I was right."

After all, its important to be a class act.

God I sure hope I do not come back here with nothing to show in 2021.

[10splayer]

You still have not answered my five questions on your athlete who is Mister World Top 1500 player. Wasn't impressed. Poor athlete. You, and don_budge, should write a book on tennis. I can fund it. We can promote it. You two are first class bullshitters. People would believe it.

Look, pie in the sky ideas won't develop great players.

The wave of the future will be all athletics based principals, and if you are not up to speed a new wave of coaches will blow you right off the court. Happened in every sport, tennis is next. Watch, wait and see.

You really are getting boring. I use to find you amusing in a caricature way. Anyway, thanks from promising to stay away (again).

[hockeyscout]

You really are getting boring. I use to find you amusing in a caricature way. Anyway, thanks from promising to stay away (again).

Hey, will you still be pretending to be a tennis coach in 2021 when I return? If you're here I will ask you about those five questions. Admit it, you just don't know.

[10splayer]

Hey, will you still be pretending to be a tennis coach in 2021 when I return?

Hey I've done it, therefore, I don't have to brag. I certainly would bet I've taught girls who are a lot better then your daughter's will ever be. (not that teaching high level players is the only criteria in assessing a pro) But again, you have no idea what your talking about.

Carry on in your delusion. BTW, now your daughter is going to be 7 feet tall? Last month, it was 6 foot 7.

Getting boring stud....

Anyway, back to your enthralling big head theory..

[stroke]

Hockeyscout, even though not totally appreciated here, will always have a home on the bottle thread.

[hockeyscout]

Hey I've done it, therefore, I don't have to brag. I certainly would bet I've taught girls who are a lot better then your daughter's will ever be. (not that teaching high level players is the only criteria in assessing a pro) But again, you have no idea what your talking about. Carry on in your delusion. BTW, now your daughter is going to be 7 feet tall? Last month, it was 6 foot 7. Getting boring stud. Anyway, back to your enthralling big head theory..

You're the best 10splayer.

The only reason I really come to this site is for you and don_budge to insult me and tell me I am bad, and it fuels me.

You get really worked up.

And, its funny.

That temperament of yours holds you back, and guys like me know how to use it against you to feed us. You must have been a mess as a player mentally.

I got enough fuel from you to push me through for the next half decade.

Interestingly enough, you are the only poster here I think I have not learned something from in five years.

Well, I did learn something, I can get you off your game so easily.

You're chaotic, and insecure.

So, thanks buddy for the help.

[hockeyscout]

Just a note on leaving here by the way.

Tennis_chiro

His machines were superb. We built our own, and it was to the specs of what his looked like, except mine can be raised 25 feet,in the air to shoot down return to serve missiles from the gods! Loved that idea, and we have three of them, and they all work in sequential order. I had one of my programmers from India put it all together, and it was a fun project. We call the machine Martina Navratolova, cause they just don't stop (they are machines).

Bottle

Brilliant guy when we figured out his speech and writing patterns. We got a book printed out of his posts, and we pull it out over beers. After 3 or 4 beers, its gets better and better. Just kidding. Love how he internalise and work through things. We leave our kids on court so much to do self feeding, as that is a brilliant innovation. So much we learned about internalising strokes from you, and just leaving athletes alone in their own space to do hand-feeding to themselves.

GeoffWilliams

The man you would want teaching your children. Respect. Honest, trustworthy and I really hope when my daughters are a bit older they can be mentored on how to look after their equipment.

Lobndropshot

He gets it. Your email hit home.

WorldBestTennisCoach

Really, that guy was just great till 10-splayer (dick) ran him out of town. And, it was to bad. He had a lot of innovative ideas. A real big help for me in my first year of coaching, no doubt about it. Not the most socialised individual, had some different ideas, but, I liked the guy and he wasn't afraid to say tennis needs to be better. He always told me not to coach like tennis coaches, and be different, and I like a guy who thinks like that is willing to try new things to get to a next.

ED WEISS

God damned, are you the greatest flipping ball feeder I have ever seen in my life. Our hitting partner saw you at work in a one minute clip, and we knew we had to get so much better. Never seen a guy like you that can feed, and we really respected how important that would be in the process.

John Yandell

Eugenie Bouchard never would have been a world class player if it was not for this site, don't know if you know that. It was a big factor in her success. And, BTW, she is going to be great. She's played the whole year hurt. The extension deal by Landsdorp was rock solid, Geoff's article on motivation and you're take on drive volleys in the future were the three best take aways in the members area. The $559.92 I spent here was a good financial investment.

10splayer

You're a dick.

Over and out guys.

[don_budge]

Footwork…and "the given player's natural athletic ability"

Tennis movement has been widely studied and researched extensively. Federer, Djokovic and Borg are awesome movers...off the charts. And each has an innate quality to his movement also...his own stamp. Borg gets off to a dreadful start in your clip. On a tennis court, however, he was perhaps the fastest accelerator the game has had...flat out in half a yard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyuiEzBb7hk

Tennis movement is all about footwork patterns and various types of steps...and of course the given player's natural athletic ability.

Yes…Federer, Djokovic and Borg were/are awesome movers. That video that you posted of Björn Borg and Ivan Lendl was incredible. Every champion world number one separated himself from the field with a combination of factors and movement being one of them. It's so true that each had their own innate quality and style. It's simple dancing with the tennis ball. It's a waltz…a cha-cha and some tango all rolled into one beautiful unchoreographed piece of work.

Take a look at the dance steps of Mats Wilander and Ivan Lendl here in this 1988 U. S. Open Final. It turns into a marathon. Tennis players as athletes? I think it has gone down hill. Watch as these two guys are playing the entire court. Each forcing each other to play every square inch. The strain of setting up for every shot. Wilander using a slice backhand a majority of the time forcing Lendl to get down a bit lower for every ball and attempting to disarm the thunderous groundstrokes with guile and cagey placement. Laser like placement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yguDDEXMz70

Both of these guys had the reputation of being backcourt players but it is amazing how much time they actually spend up at the net and the excellent resulting net play. Take a look around 19.00 where they play a point where they both end up at the net and Tony Trabert exclaims it is "the point of the match".

It's a gruelling five-setter at the U. S. Open. Nothing surpasses this in all of sports. To be able to maintain yourself physically, emotionally and intellectually under this type of duress in front of a huge crowd…in tight shorts and all by your lonesome. It's unique. But take a look as this match gets into a fifth set. These two under tremendous strain yet they get to every ball and hit it cleanly. Very few unforced errors. Each player putting tremendous pressure on the other physically. The points turn into seemingly endless and tortuous duels as they maneuvour each other from side to side and up and back.

It's a tremendous display of athleticism by two players who grow in my estimation as time goes by. By the power of historical context. Lendl just gets better in retrospect and Wilander's impact was softened by his low impact demeanor. But once that ball is in play they are two of the most tenacious competitors you will find in the annals of tennis.

I wonder if Roger Federer had guys like these to compete against he might have had fewer Grand Slams to his credit. Surely they would have cut into Djokovic's and Nadal's titles. Murray would be relegated to a back seat.

Look at the legs of Lendl. If he was a horse he would be put out to stud….breeding for those legs alone. Wilander is slightly less physically imposing but one must suppose that mentally he is making up for it…somehow. Someway.

[stotty]

Yes…Federer, Djokovic and Borg were/are awesome movers. That video that you posted of Björn Borg and Ivan Lendl was incredible. Every champion world number one separated himself from the field with a combination of factors and movement being one of them. It's so true that each had their own innate quality and style. It's simple dancing with the tennis ball. It's a waltz…a cha-cha and some tango all rolled into one beautiful unchoreographed piece of work.

Take a look at the dance steps of Mats Wilander and Ivan Lendl here in this 1988 U. S. Open Final.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yguDDEXMz70

Yes, that was quite a game. Matts plays exactly the same as Borg. He camps out in the court the same way and absorbs whatever is coming at him. He also switches to attack in much the same way as Borg did. I think Matts did a better job of imitating Borg than Dimitrov has with Federer.

I like the shuffle, shuffle steps of Borg which he uses wherever time permits. It's not the fastest way to get around but much favoured in slower rallies or rallies where the response is predictable. I was using them for the first time yesterday. I can see the logic now...they are simple, economical. Of course if there is a lot of court to cover, one has to turn and run...

[don_budge]

"Closing" on the net…Lendl and Wilander

Look how these two "baseliners" close on the net. The reaction to do that move is quite another thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA60Bko0Fjw