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Originally posted by klacr View PostGood call Phil. I actually do hold the racquet quite loosely. That's one reason why my timing has always been pretty good. I hold it loose so I can feel the tip of my frame and always know where my racquet head is. But may need to hold it even looser.
I feel like if I can catch the ball early, on the rise and contact is above the net I can extend through the line of the shot and still make it with not a whole lot of spin and arc. But on defensive shots I have a habit of threading the needle a little too tight and not giving myself the ideal spin and margin
Loving the engagement on this thread already. Thanks Guys.
Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton
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He needs to step in and take the ball earlier, not later! More weight transfer, not less. Quicker time into net, not a slower time. More knee bend on the hitting foot step, not the spanish, fall back bs.
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Wish we could slow this down. But, what I see, (as it relates to getting under the ball) is an overly upright shaft at the moment of the pull....
If you watch a guy like Fed, he stands the shaft up in the backswing,(straight up and down) but as he lowers it, he lays it down a bit (towards parallel to the ground) before he pulls it.. You stand the shaft up in the backswing, and then seem to pretty much keep it standing up until you pull. That would make it very, vert difficult to get the racquet under the hand...
It would (at least to me) explain the whippy look to it, as the racquet head has a long way to go (to get under) in a very short time frame.Last edited by 10splayer; 11-14-2014, 08:01 AM.
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Originally posted by licensedcoach View PostGo Spanish. Let the ball come to you. Move back to strike the ball around knee height or even below and get the racket brushing up. This, in theory, will force you to lower your racket head.
If I were you I would try to educate myself to let the ball drop until I got used to the feel of lowering my racket head.
It's easier said than done, of course. I have a continental grip on my forehand and cannot play high balls particularly well. I find it fun to make adjustments and try even so. Even at my age (51) I can always tweak something and adjust. A younger stallion like yourself should have no trouble.
Being 6'6", high balls have never really been an issue for me even with a conservative grip.
I do agree that "receiving" the ball and letting it come to me is one of the best ways, but do you feel that would be advantageous to my overall game, knowing I like to step in and take the ball early?
Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton
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Originally posted by gzhpcu View PostKyle, just a suggestion: hold the racket very loosely and the head will drop naturally...
I feel like if I can catch the ball early, on the rise and contact is above the net I can extend through the line of the shot and still make it with not a whole lot of spin and arc. But on defensive shots I have a habit of threading the needle a little too tight and not giving myself the ideal spin and margin
Loving the engagement on this thread already. Thanks Guys.
Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton
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Originally posted by klacr View PostIt was closer in years past to a continental. Now it's an eastern.
When I played in college I could get away with a very conservative eastern/continental on lightning quick indoor courts plus serve and volley. I have made concerted effort in last year to make adjustment to a stronger eastern.
Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton
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Originally posted by klacr View Post
The question of course is how? How do I drop the racquet head below the ball. We can agree I need it, but what tip or visual aid can I receive to do it each and every time. I still have no problems from back of the court with consistency and I can roll the ball back high and deep but it is much more forced and not as free so it causes me to have to think about the execution as opposed to just doing it. How can I get it to be more natural?
Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton
If I were you I would try to educate myself to let the ball drop until I got used to the feel of lowering my racket head.
It's easier said than done, of course. I have a continental grip on my forehand and cannot play high balls particularly well. I find it fun to make adjustments and try even so. Even at my age (51) I can always tweak something and adjust. A younger stallion like yourself should have no trouble.
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Originally posted by 10splayer View PostKyle,
Are you in a continental? Looks close.
When I played in college I could get away with a very conservative eastern/continental on lightning quick indoor courts plus serve and volley. I have made concerted effort in last year to make adjustment to a stronger eastern.
Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton
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Originally posted by klacr View PostThe question of course is how? How do I drop the racquet head below the ball. We can agree I need it, but what tip or visual aid can I receive to do it each and every time. I still have no problems from back of the court with consistency and I can roll the ball back high and deep but it is much more forced and not as free so it causes me to have to think about the execution as opposed to just doing it. How can I get it to be more natural?Last edited by gzhpcu; 11-14-2014, 07:25 AM.
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Originally posted by gzhpcu View PostMaybe it is the forehand grip? Looking at some studies of Laver, Panatta, Nastase, Gimeno, I see a similar swing path. The more you go towards Western, the more the head drops. Do you use a continental grip Kyle?
Question is: Do you need for the racket to drop when hitting a hard flat shot will little or no topspin?
Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton
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Kyle, your forehand is similar to Jack Kramer's...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQTp9Od2c_4
(Sorry to go back so far... but Kramer was famous for his forehand in his day...)
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Originally posted by licensedcoach View PostWell thanks for posting your clips, Klacr. About time...
I think the best thing to do is tackle one shot at a time. I'm going to start with the forehand. It's always tricky assessing strokes that are being pumped out so uniformly from a ball machine because we only see a player under minimal duress. I stopped displaying an advanced student because of this reason. I decided I may invest in a wide angle camera for such purposes. You can film whole matches this way. But I digress....
We do, however, get a good view of Kyle's swing path and set up. I like the set up. The body turn and positioning of the feet seem good, and this gets repeated over and over...like it. I especially like those last couple of micro steps before the strike. So many young players don't do this. It's those little steps that can make all the difference between getting set up really well and not being quite behind the ball.
The thing I am far less keen on is the swing path. The racket head never seems get beneath the level of the ball as you approach to hit it. (I'd like to see a slow motion to verify this but it certainly seems that way from the real time clips). As a result the shot looks slappy and loose at times. The front view clips bear this out best. Now I understand you are taking the ball early and high up on the bounce at times, but it doesn't alter the fact you still need to come from underneath the ball at least a bit.
If you look at Federer, he is hitting this ball at a similar height to you, but his racket head drops well beneath the ball when he's pulling the trigger. Even when he is hitting flatter he will come from underneath.
It makes me wonder how the shot would stand up under duress, especially when pulled out wide. I'd like to see you hit a few shots where you let the ball drop lower off the bounce to see how that effects the look of the stroke, and to see if it forces the racket head lower.
The question of course is how? How do I drop the racquet head below the ball. We can agree I need it, but what tip or visual aid can I receive to do it each and every time. I still have no problems from back of the court with consistency and I can roll the ball back high and deep but it is much more forced and not as free so it causes me to have to think about the execution as opposed to just doing it. How can I get it to be more natural?
Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton
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Originally posted by 10splayer View PostWhere to even begin? First things first...Look up "straw man" and then lets proceed.
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