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  • Originally posted by bottle View Post
    Interesting-- Navratilova's unremitting comment on Roger's forehand volley-- racket tip too high.
    The tip is certainly higher than most good volleyers it seems. I am not sure what the deficit is with the racket being more "stood up" than other players. Things seem okay on impact.

    The problem with the Federer overcoming the Nadal dilemma is Federer cannot do the all out attack serve and volley business. Nadal would get used to that and Federer would soon end up playing volleys at his ankles, which he is no good at...relatively speaking. That kind of thing can only be done by Edberg, McEnroe and all that crowd. No, it has to be a selective business, which is bound to get trickier as the match wears on. Nadal is a super fast learner so the guessing game could only go on for so long. Sooner or later rallies are bound to get longer, and once Nadal finds his length and groove it then becomes very difficult for Roger to get to the net at all. You can see Roger being able to pull off the necessary for one and half sets...or possibly two, but after that it would be close to impossible for him to keep the "cat and mouse" tactic up, or the standard of play required...unless he got rain delays...as in Wimbledon 2008, which he lost in the end anyway.

    don_budge often brings up the Borg v McEnroe rivalry and likens it to Nadal and Federer's...it's almost irresistible not to. But in that rivalry McEnroe had a game that was three quarters the way there to start with...a few tweaks here and the padlock was off to beat Borg, but it was never easy...very intricate actually...and Mac's IQ for the game was/is the best ever. I've said this before on the forum and I will say it again: McEnroe always played the right game using the right shots at the right time...virtually always.

    Federer isn't three quarters of the way there...not even half way. Tilden would have written off a whole season building a game to take on the Nadal of his day. Federer should write off the next six months until Wimbledon to do the same. Who cares if he loses time and again between now and then to learn the craft.

    Federer quit midway through that second set...went through the motions after that. Nadal is tough, the toughest I have ever witnessed. In truth it's unlikely Federer will ever beat a fit Nadal again. Nadal may be simply too good for Roger...but as my Italian wife often says, "hope is the last thing to die"
    Last edited by stotty; 01-24-2014, 03:09 PM.
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    • Borg vs. McEnroe...Nadal vs. Federer is not

      Originally posted by licensedcoach View Post
      don_budge often brings up the Borg v McEnroe rivalry and likens it to Nadal and Federer's...it's almost irresistible not to. But in that rivalry McEnroe had a game that was three quarters the way there to start with...a few tweaks here and the padlock was off to beat Borg, but it was never easy...very intricate actually...and Mac's IQ for the game was/is the best ever. I've said this before on the forum and I will say it again: McEnroe always played the right game using the right shots at the right time...virtually always.
      Actually...I never likened the rivalry of Nadal and Federer to that of McEnroe and Borg. I only point out that the tactical struggle has some real similarities. The opposite hands...contrasting styles. Therein lies a game plan to emulate or at least to study. If you had any sense at all...any sense of being a student of the game. But that requires a real knowledge of history...not the slop that is being dished up these days.

      But the "rivalry" of the modern age players falls way short of the other two classic players. Theirs was the last and final scene on what was once known as classic tennis...lawn tennis...spharistikè. The art of playing the ball...in Greek. What they are playing today does not remotely resemble what McEnroe and Borg were playing.

      Contrary to popular myth it was not necessarily McEnroe who was doing all of the chasing of Borg in their brief three year rivalry. John won the first in Stockholm of all places, two of the first three and three of the first five meetings and all in all it was a rivalry of equals...which is what made it a rivalry. A perfect balance of everything opposite...including apparently polar opposites of personality. It was mathematically speaking...a balanced equation. These two are nothing but pretenders...I am sorry to say. Nadal is a jerk and Federer is a patsy.

      Even Borg...who was the "baseline machine" serve and volleyed on the slick grass at Wimbledon. Both players had enough "game" to adapt their own play to different conditions...which is something that even the slightly altered conditions at the Australian Open illustrated that the modern players are not capable of doing. No "cat and mouse"...just a "couple of guys throwing rocks at each other".

      There is not "likening" in the rivalry aspect...but there are some similarities in the tactical puzzle. Federer and his brain trust should have been looking into this a long time ago. It's funny how Edberg went from looking like a genius to just warmed up hash. Great players make great coaches? Not necessarily. Becker doesn't look to have had any meaningful input into the Djokovic process and some are even speculating a negative influence.

      There is no possible comparison between the modern players and the classic players. By now readers of this forum realize what a sham has been perpetrated on the sacred sport of tennis. Nobody likes to admit it...but it is true. This Australian Open instead of igniting a revolution has fizzled like some wet fireworks on the Fourth of July. It sounded and felt like the air going out of a balloon.

      I came to realize how far tennis has fallen this past two weeks. I watched everything that I could and now I completely convinced there is no way back. I knew it back in 1981...you can ask Dr. Herbert Krickstein and his talented son Aaron. I called it...and I never wavered. Now the rooster has come home to roost. "They" destroyed the sport and all that it represented. To even think for an instant that either of these too are the GOAT is such a joke...they are merely prospering from a watered down talent pool and media hype.

      Welcome to the modern world...which George Orwell predicted many years ago. He who controls the past controls the present. What is power? Answer...control.

      I am too disgusted to write any more...but given some time to collect my thoughts...I'll be back.
      Last edited by don_budge; 01-25-2014, 08:47 AM. Reason: for clarity's sake...
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      • Too much for TV...and now too much for live-streaming on the computer.

        Originally posted by tennis_chiro View Post
        I didn't see a single mention on Eurosport from any of the commentators about the lack of the slice or even and effective down the line backhand from Federer, even a topspin one. Are any of them aware of this "thrust/parry" strategy that we are talking about here. Apparently not. I don't know what they are saying on ESPN or the Tennis Channel, but I suspect it is more of the same.

        don
        After listening to the moronic babble coming out of the commentators mouths I promptly told my wife that she was married to the most intelligent man on the planet.

        Federer blasted ball after ball into the net right from the get go...topspin backhands every one of them. Not a single word from the geniuses with the microphone that it might be intelligent to try a slice down the line or sharply angled crosscourt. Morons.

        Modern tennis has got themselves a real SNAFU on their hands...Situation Normal All Fucked Up. The commentators and apparently the coaching world have all drank the Kool-Aid. Witness the effects of political correctness...it causes blindness.

        I thought the exact same thing tennis_chiro about the commentary...I have thought it for a long time. Utter nonsense. All of it. I could do a way better job of it...I have the voice too.
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        • Originally posted by don_budge View Post
          After listening to the moronic babble coming out of the commentators mouths I promptly told my wife that she was married to the most intelligent man on the planet.

          Federer blasted ball after ball into the net right from the get go...topspin backhands every one of them. Not a single word from the geniuses with the microphone that it might be intelligent to try a slice down the line or sharply angled crosscourt. Morons.

          Modern tennis has got themselves a real SNAFU on their hands...Situation Normal All Fucked Up. The commentators and apparently the coaching world have all drank the Kool-Aid. Witness the effects of political correctness...it causes blindness.

          I thought the exact same thing tennis_chiro about the commentary...I have thought it for a long time. Utter nonsense. All of it. I could do a way better job of it...I have the voice too.
          We need to start our own tennis centric television channel. We do the commentary.

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          Boca Raton

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          • 6-3 Wawrinka

            Wow!

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            • Rotten luck to get injured

              I missed the final because of work. I am waiting for it to come up on Youtube. Such a shame Nadal became injured. Apparently Wawrinka was playing well and won the first set on merit...so I am told. It's tough on Nadal, though, after playing so well against Federer. I thought if he had won today he would have a good shot at pulling off a calendar grand slam. You have to figure he will play another 12 slams at his zenith...and it's likely he could win 6 of those.
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              • Stan IS The Man!

                Glorious Glorious Glorious.

                New Blood.

                What a match by Stan. Some detractors will say Nadal was injured and that may be the case, but Stan still had to execute, and he did. I'm a bit old school in the thought that if you step on the court, and continue to play, you are 100%. There is a difference between being hurt and being injured. If you are hurt, you can continue to play. If you are injured, stop playing. But I digress.

                Credit to Stan. Before Nadal had his back issue, Stan legitimately competed and won the first set, simply playing better than Nadal. How do you beat a guy that runs everything down and gets everything back? Play every ball and every point on your terms and hope you redline. Stanislas Wawrinka did that today.
                Some of his ground strokes were just unreal and Rafa knew it was gonna be a long day, healthy or injured. Stan lost his focus a bit in that 3rd set with Nadal playing wounded warrior. Just when you thought Nadal was going to pull off the impossible and make a comeback, Stan held his ground. Breaks of serve traded in that 4th set set Stan up for a serve for the championship. He cruised through that game and became Australian Open Champ. A man with a one-handed backhand, a chip return and an ability to play the net if he so chooses. He exercised many demons when he beat Djokovic. Once you Climb Everest or K2, Mt. McKinley (Denali) doesn't seem so tough. Credit to Wawrinka and major credit to his coach who taught Stan something bigger than x's and o's, he taught him BELIEF in himself. A lesson all coaches can give to their students.

                On a side note and an obligatory Tberd mention, Berdych has lost to the eventual Aussie Open Chamion in 3 of the last 4 years. The one he did not was 2012 when he lost to Nadal, who lost to Djokovic in that epic 5 setter. Just some food for thought. Perghaps a consolation trophy for Berdych? Thye title goes through Berdych.
                Grasping for straws I know

                Kyle LaCroix USPTA
                Boca Raton
                Last edited by klacr; 01-26-2014, 08:30 PM.

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                • Nadal

                  Originally posted by klacr View Post
                  Glorious Glorious Glorious.

                  New Blood.

                  What a match by Stan. Some detractors will say Nadal was injured and that may be the case, but Stan still had to execute, and he did. I'm a bit old school in the thought that if you step on the court, and continue to play, you are 100%. There is a difference between being hurt and being injured. If you are hurt, you can continue to play. If you are injured, stop playing. But I digress.

                  Credit to Stan. Before Nadal had his back issue, Stan legitimately competed and won the first set, simply playing better than Nadal. How do you beat a guy that runs everything down and gets everything back? Play every ball and every point on your terms and hope you redline. Stanislas Wawrinka did that today.
                  Some of his ground strokes were just unreal and Rafa knew it was gonna be a long day, healthy or injured. Stan lost his focus a bit in that 3rd set with Nadal playing wounded warrior. Just when you thought Nadal was going to pull off the impossible and make a comeback, Stan held his ground. Breaks of serve traded in that 4th set set Stan up for a serve for the championship. He cruised through that game and became Australian Open Champ. A man with a one-handed backhand, a chip return and an ability to play the net if he so chooses. He exercised many demons when he beat Djokovic. Once you Climb Everest or K2, Mt. McKinley (Denali) doesn't seem so tough. Credit to Wawrinka and major credit to his coach who taught Stan something bigger than x's and o's, he taught him BELIEF in himself. A lesson all coaches can give to their students.

                  On a sde note and an obligatory Tberd mention, Berdych has lost to the eventual Aussie Open Chamion in 3 of the last 4 years. The one he did not was 2012 when he lost to Nadal, who lost to Djokovic in that epic 5 setter. Just some food for thought. Perghaps a consolation trophy for Berdych? Thye title goes through Berdych.
                  Grasping for straws I know

                  Kyle LaCroix USPTA
                  Boca Raton
                  Nadal got some back paiins after a warm-up.
                  Being an old school would you quit BEFORE or AFTER the first set?
                  So being 80% you would default at AO?
                  Very interesting.
                  Would you apply the same logic if Berdych would be playing instead of Nadal?
                  Last edited by julian1; 01-26-2014, 02:56 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by julian1 View Post
                    Nadal got some back paiins after a warm-up.
                    Being an old school would you quit BEFORE or AFTER the first set?
                    So being 80% you would default at AO?
                    Very interesting.
                    Would you apply the same logic if Berdych would be playing instead of Nadal?

                    This post was good and made me laugh. Thanks Julian.

                    I heard Nadal had back pains after warm-up. My main point was let's give Wawrinka his due and not say Nadal lost only because he's injured. Wawrinka was playing him tough and its bad luck for Rafa. No doubt Nadal is an incredible competitor and was heartbroken by the outcome. Credit to him for staying out there and giving fans some extra tennis. If this was not a grand slam final you might suspect he would have retired from the match. You never want to lose that way, especially in a big moment. I thought Stan got a little careless in the 3rd set and that was dangerous as it gave Nadal a glimmer of hope. it's tough to play someone who is noticeably not 100%. However, you must focus and tell yourself they are 100% and continue with your game plan. If they are strong enough to remain on court as your competition, they are strong enough to beat you. I guess it all depends on your pain threshold. Everyone is different.

                    As for your Berdych question, if his back was giving him problems during an Aussie Open final I'd have the same amount of respect for him staying out there for the fans and fighting back to win the 3rd set. But since you asked a hypothetical question of "If Berdych were Nadal..." does this mean we could also say Berdych also has 13 grand slams? If so, that's damn impressive. I could live with that. I like that switcheroo

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                    • The Stanimal's nose looked a bit red, but his chair wouldn't fold.

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                      • I only caught up with the final today. The first set was great. I thought Nadal looked mentally subdued from the outset and it's likely the niggle was playing on his mind. The rest of the match wasn't worth watching. It was a shame, shame for the fans, sponsors, ticket holders, folk watching on TV, sponsors, tournament organisers...not to mention both players. Lots of people get affected. It's no one's fault. It's just unlucky it happened on finals day.
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                        • Originally posted by licensedcoach View Post
                          I only caught up with the final today. The first set was great. I thought Nadal looked mentally subdued from the outset and it's likely the niggle was playing on his mind. The rest of the match wasn't worth watching. It was a shame, shame for the fans, sponsors, ticket holders, folk watching on TV, sponsors, tournament organisers...not to mention both players. Lots of people get affected. It's no one's fault. It's just unlucky it happened on finals day.
                          Just bad luck.

                          But gotta make the most out of it. Certainly wasn't Wawrinka's fault Nadal hurt his back. After beating 4 time champ Djokovic, Stan was certainly worthy of earning a grand slam title. Stan had a very subdued reaction after championship point as he knew it wasn't supposed to be awkward. Stan played well enough to make it to the finals and the fact he got himself into a position of opportunity, anything can happen. And it Did.
                          Stanislas Wawrinka 2014 Australian Open Champion.

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                          • A one slam wonder. More than I have! Congrats, and glad to see the drug cheater beaten.

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                            • Future of Wawrinka

                              Originally posted by klacr View Post
                              Glorious Glorious Glorious.

                              New Blood.

                              What a match by Stan. Some detractors will say Nadal was injured and that may be the case, but Stan still had to execute, and he did. I'm a bit old school in the thought that if you step on the court, and continue to play, you are 100%. There is a difference between being hurt and being injured. If you are hurt, you can continue to play. If you are injured, stop playing. But I digress.

                              Credit to Stan. Before Nadal had his back issue, Stan legitimately competed and won the first set, simply playing better than Nadal. How do you beat a guy that runs everything down and gets everything back? Play every ball and every point on your terms and hope you redline. Stanislas Wawrinka did that today.
                              Some of his ground strokes were just unreal and Rafa knew it was gonna be a long day, healthy or injured. Stan lost his focus a bit in that 3rd set with Nadal playing wounded warrior. Just when you thought Nadal was going to pull off the impossible and make a comeback, Stan held his ground. Breaks of serve traded in that 4th set set Stan up for a serve for the championship. He cruised through that game and became Australian Open Champ. A man with a one-handed backhand, a chip return and an ability to play the net if he so chooses. He exercised many demons when he beat Djokovic. Once you Climb Everest or K2, Mt. McKinley (Denali) doesn't seem so tough. Credit to Wawrinka and major credit to his coach who taught Stan something bigger than x's and o's, he taught him BELIEF in himself. A lesson all coaches can give to their students.

                              On a side note and an obligatory Tberd mention, Berdych has lost to the eventual Aussie Open Chamion in 3 of the last 4 years. The one he did not was 2012 when he lost to Nadal, who lost to Djokovic in that epic 5 setter. Just some food for thought. Perghaps a consolation trophy for Berdych? Thye title goes through Berdych.
                              Grasping for straws I know

                              Kyle LaCroix USPTA
                              Boca Raton
                              Please see the today's issue of New York Times (by Greg Bishop)

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                              • Fafa Nadal...

                                Originally posted by julian1 View Post
                                Please see the today's issue of New York Times (by Greg Bishop)


                                Let me put it another way...a slightly different tact from that of Greg Bishop...and the rest.

                                That was one disgusting display by Fafa Phooey Nadal. I have never witnessed a worse performance of sportsmanship in all of my life when it comes to the sport of tennis. He has disgraced himself and the tennis world in general.

                                He robbed Stanislas Wawrinka of his rightful crown. He stole Stanislaw Wawrinka's thunder. What he richly deserved was reduced to a bullshit conversation about whether or not Nadal was fit to play. Utter bullshit and a fitting ending to the 2014 Australian Championships. I stand by everything that I wrote...every thought that I thought.

                                The championships that revealed to the world what the reality of the sport has been reduced to.

                                I wrote this in the heat of the moment during the match watching this disgraceful performance for which he was roundly booed by the live audience...

                                How convenient to take a break...Nadal is a cheater and a jerk. If he cannot make it through the match without a doctor...retire. Pure and simple.

                                But now his excuse is in place. His speech already written. If he loses he will cite his injuries. I hope that he wins so that the tennis world will see what a psyche artist this pretender...this usurper is.

                                Then he comes out without his shirt...this is another thing about this hot dog. The strip tease act. He thinks he is cute. BIG TIME WRESTLING!

                                Now it looks as if he won't try...he may just quit. Who knows what is going through his mind. He is denying Wawrinka his moment. Shameful behavior. Disgusting. He can disappear for another seven months...I, for one, won't miss him.

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