Brian Gordondynamic slot forehand question

[10splayer]

Yeah, pronation is part of the equation (as i mentioned in post 2) to get a real balistic effect IMO. The more one pronates in the backswing, the greater the counter rotation necessary to set up the hitting arm structure.

It will also, (quite obviously) eliminate external rotation in the backswing.

[spacediver]

another thing I noticed about using this dynamic is that scaling the power of the stroke is done from the legs and hips. I don't have to rely on as much conscious modulation of my upper body once things are in place. Which means much more consistency

[10splayer]

another thing I noticed about using this dynamic is that scaling the power of the stroke is done from the legs and hips. I don't have to rely on as much conscious modulation of my upper body once things are in place. Which means much more consistency

In terms of consistency, a real benefit,IMO, (In the type 3 backswing) is the shorter, more direct "line to the ball". When one constructs a backswing absent of external rotation, the racquet/hand are going to stay in front of you, which produces a more compact backswing and direct line to the ball. It's just much easier to produce the racquet and meet the contact point requirements.

When external rotation is utilized in the backswing,(type 1) it's really easy to "lose" the racquet behind the right shoulder plane, which leads to a longer, more curved line to the ball. Brian is so right on with this observation. It has been the backswing of choice in Jr. Tennis for many years.


I think sometimes (when reading articles like this) we all can get caught up in the potential for Fed like racquet head speed, balistic, stretch shorten forehands etc etc. But to me, the real benefit (for the layman to the elite player) is the position of the racquet at the beginning of the forward swing. Everyone can benefit from this shorter, more direct line to the ball.

[stroke]

In terms of consistency, a real benefit,IMO, (In the type 3 backswing) is the shorter, more direct "line to the ball". When one constructs a backswing absent of external rotation, the racquet/hand are going to stay in front of you, which produces a more compact backswing and direct line to the ball. It's just much easier to produce the racquet and meet the contact point requirements.

When external rotation is utilized in the backswing,(type 1) it's really easy to "lose" the racquet behind the right shoulder plane, which leads to a longer, more curved line to the ball. Brian is so right on with this observation. It has been the backswing of choice in Jr. Tennis for many years.


I think sometimes (when reading articles like this) we all can get caught up in the potential for Fed like racquet head speed, balistic, stretch shorten forehands etc etc. But to me, the real benefit (for the layman to the elite player) is the position of the racquet at the beginning of the forward swing. Everyone can benefit from this shorter, more direct line to the ball.

This post on the FH is spot on IMO, very good stuff. Brian Gordon mentioned in some thread that you had a good grasp of the Type 3 FH. He was not kidding.

[stroke]

Well I tried following the advice from this blog post:

http://blog.tennisspeed.com/2012/05/roadmap-to-hall-of-fame-forehand-part-6.html

It seems very close to what Brian is suggesting, and it made a HUGE difference.

The key for me was simply pronating the elbow at the end of the backswing, and then allowing the elbow to supinate and then repronate in the contact zone.

I read this blog you supplied a link to. I don't think there is any doubt it in line with Brian's articles on the Type 3 FH. It was a very good find.

[bottle]

But a terribly wordy way of saying, "Close the racket head." Also, not everybody closes at end of the backswing as the wretched article asserts.
A million photographs of closed racket head faces will never prove that they all closed just then. Federer's for instance. It closes when the racket head was high, no?

Also, while I'm grumping, did I miss the explanation of what the "T" stands for in FHT or is it simply not in the article or properly emphasized there. I sure as hell am not going to waste any minutes of my life in re-examination of the article for such a small point.

Tyrannosaurus, type, tou-tou? Those three are silly suggestions, especially "type." Why would anyone want to repeat the word "type" every time they use some term?

Acronyms in tennis instruction, which already is technical enough, truly suck.
Unless one is seeking to create a special inner sanctum of players in the know. If so, one might as well return to the halcyon days of country clubs in tennis being all. So DDT for the people who think this article is good.

[julian1]

Which one is the wretched article?

But a terribly wordy way of saying, "Close the racket head." Also, not everybody closes at end of the backswing as the wretched article asserts.
A million photographs of closed racket head faces will never prove that they all closed just then. Federer's for instance. It closes when the racket head was high, no?

Also, while I'm grumping, did I miss the explanation of what the "T" stands for in FHT or is it simply not in the article or properly emphasized there. I sure as hell am not going to waste any minutes of my life in re-examination of the article for such a small point.

Tyrannosaurus, type, tou-tou? Those three are silly suggestions, especially "type." Why would anyone want to repeat the word "type" every time they use some term?

Acronyms in tennis instruction, which already is technical enough, truly suck.
Unless one is seeking to create a special inner sanctum of players in the know. If so, one might as well return to the halcyon days of country clubs in tennis being all. So DDT for the people who think this article is good.

Which one is the wretched article?
By tennisspeed?

[bottle]

The antecedent sentence is "It was a very good find." But if you were able somehow to develop a critical sense-- which comes from admiring something-- you wouldn't have to ask. What do you admire, Julian 1?

[julian1]

From the Sesame Street

But a terribly wordy way of saying, "Close the racket head." Also, not everybody closes at end of the backswing as the wretched article asserts.
A million photographs of closed racket head faces will never prove that they all closed just then. Federer's for instance. It closes when the racket head was high, no?

Also, while I'm grumping, did I miss the explanation of what the "T" stands for in FHT or is it simply not in the article or properly emphasized there. I sure as hell am not going to waste any minutes of my life in re-examination of the article for such a small point.

Tyrannosaurus, type, tou-tou? Those three are silly suggestions, especially "type." Why would anyone want to repeat the word "type" every time they use some term?

Acronyms in tennis instruction, which already is technical enough, truly suck.
Unless one is seeking to create a special inner sanctum of players in the know. If so, one might as well return to the halcyon days of country clubs in tennis being all. So DDT for the people who think this article is good.

T stands for Topspin
Every child using the Swedish Internet knows that

[stotty]

T for topspin

T stands for Topspin
Every child using the Swedish Internet knows that

I didn't know T was for topspin in FHT...

[10splayer]

But a terribly wordy way of saying, "Close the racket head." Also, not everybody closes at end of the backswing as the wretched article asserts.
A million photographs of closed racket head faces will never prove that they all closed just then. Federer's for instance. It closes when the racket head was high, no?

Also, while I'm grumping, did I miss the explanation of what the "T" stands for in FHT or is it simply not in the article or properly emphasized there. I sure as hell am not going to waste any minutes of my life in re-examination of the article for such a small point.

Tyrannosaurus, type, tou-tou? Those three are silly suggestions, especially "type." Why would anyone want to repeat the word "type" every time they use some term?

Acronyms in tennis instruction, which already is technical enough, truly suck.
Unless one is seeking to create a special inner sanctum of players in the know. If so, one might as well return to the halcyon days of country clubs in tennis being all. So DDT for the people who think this article is good.

I thought it was a very good article.....Btw, I don't think it's as easy as closing the racquet face..the "when" is important to note, as well as the grip used.

[bottle]

I'll re-read it. Maybe I'll like it better this time.