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[johnyandell]

Phil,
This might do the trick. Sometime if you and I are ever in the same country at the same time, I am going to fix your racket drop.

http://www.tennisplayer.net/members/teaching_systems/john_yandell/mental_imagery_synthesizing/index.html

[gzhpcu]

John, how about an article on how to combat the muscle memory resulting from executing a stroke in a particular fashion? Sometimes making a change to a particular stroke can be very difficult. You think you have changed something, then look at the video you took and you made very little change. Or did you do one and have I missed it?

[bobbyswift]

I am thinking maybe semi western with left hand and eastern with his right. When my students have their forehand in semi and left close or in semi nobody looks quite comfortable.

[johnyandell]

I think it's his forehand grip or close. Index knuckle on bevel 4. Something close to what is described here:

http://www.tennisplayer.net/members/avancedtennis/john_yandell/djokovic_forehand/part_01.html

What do you think?

[bobbyswift]

Just wondering what grips Novak is holding in ready position for return of serve in your opinion?

[johnyandell]

I would get a permanent headache if a tried to figure that out...

Don't get me wrong I knew him, had him over to my house, liked him and he was passionate about tennis and promoted it. But most people working in the industry think a lot of his stuff was just crazy and the veneer of science and pseudoscience that was used to justify it definitely did some damage. I had a very interesting experience when I was an unknown teaching pro with an avid student who wanted to go worship with Vic. His forehand never recovered.

[gzhpcu]

Wonder if poor old Vic ever got anything right....

[johnyandell]

That it's crazy and wrong in so many ways. Roscoe doesn't keep his foot on the ground for one thing. Don't put these thoughts in your brain!

[gzhpcu]

Here's another question for you John. What do you think of Vic's analysis here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42STJgl2K4E

[johnyandell]

Great question. For a flatter ball possibly hit harder, yes maybe more infront although Guga wasn't exactly know for his mph. So maybe...but I really don't think so in the long run.

The problem is you still have to get to the ball that is tossed more infront which means more leg drive up and out--OR letting the contact point drop so you can reach it with your arm. Not good.

Model your contact point at the front edge of your nose. The guys who are way out there in front still make contact at the edge of the face in relation to there own body. Now how far can you get your body into the court with your arm extended at the elbow, not tilted too much down or forward?

There's your answer. In general trying to tweak one variable out of context with the motion doesn't lead to consistency. Might lead to a buzz and the placebo effect and one or two really fast balls without spin...

Does this guy serve big enough for you?

http://www.tennisplayer.net/members/high_speed_archive/phantom/John_Isner_HD_HS/index.html?dir=Serve/1st_Serve&stroke=JI_1stS%20Deuce%20Side4%20500fps.mp4

[gzhpcu]

John, for a club player, how far into the court should the ball be placed for a hard, flat serve? Good old Vic (careful now John, he is watching carefully from above...), says "Try to go too far forward on your toss: get the feeling that you're going to fall on your face"...
Kuerten throws it way forward.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCiIqOf06dg

I know top players like Federer don't, but how about us normal players? What is best for good speed?

[johnyandell]

Stotty, agreed. Again it's not about rigid positions in the windup those are as different as the forehand backswings--or more. It's getting to and through a decent trophy position to the racket drop.

Again, I loved Vic but his rigidity combined with his high visibility for decades really set back tennis instruction in my opinion.

[stotty]

Welby Horn was a fan of having the palm down somewhat during the wind-up phase as he felt it ensured the racket face closes and so keeps the elbow away from the body. I guess he was referring to reducing the chances of a dropped elbow so common in young juniors.

I like an on edge or slightly closed racket face during the wind-up phase. An open face can certainly lead to more trouble in my view, though Raonic might disagree.

Palm completely down would seem ridiculous.

[johnyandell]

Uh, no. If you look there is a huge range of options with top players. I loved Vic but I would not look to him for guidance to be honest.

[gzhpcu]

Vic Braden:

to facilitate the loop, keep your palm down as you draw back....

on the serve