Making a poor forehand better.

[carrerakent]

Yeah I'm so closed minded that even after all the nasty attacks I still offer you guys a forum. Apparently you two are the only ones in the world that know how to hit a forehand, so far you just can't explain it.

Seriously though, you are a student of the stroke archives, find a couple of links you like of players doing some of the things you believe and paste them in here.

John, I'd just post Federer.

What is going on here? I've never said anything that should make someone think that we are the only one's that know how to hit a forehand. Again, we are arguing over statements and misunderstandings. Let's agree to disagree and stop that.

What makes you think I cannot explain something. I explained already that I am not at liberty to post full explanations out of respect to my coach. I figured that would be explanatory enough for my being vague.

If you must pipe in, why don't you start by giving your analysis of my observations that I have shared. They are a starting point for me sharing what I know and a starting point for people to analyze, argue, maybe even try themselves.

[oliensis]

Mr. Yandell,

Don't let the Nimrods get you down. (Nimrod was the (possibly Assyrian or Babylonian) king who built the tower of Babel...initially intended to be a monument to the glory of God (what/whom/how-ever that is), but ultimately twisted into being a monument to his own greatness...hence the development of the nick-name as a term of derogation.

And unfortunately that same progression often develops among those seeking "the grail" in whatever endeavor they become obsessed with.

The vast majority of us have evolved to the extent that we understand that enlightenment comes slowly, if at all, and that if you "meet the Buddha on the road" you should "kill him." (Anyone claiming to be the Buddha could not possibly be a Buddha.)

For those, among other reasons, most of us continue to appreciate your site, and make an effort to contribute to constructive dialogue.

Best regards,
Adam Oliensis

[johnyandell]

Hey Adam,

Thanks and the buddha analogy is a point well taken. Although lost on some I suspect.

John

[johnyandell]

God I love this.

Carrera you write in your last post that you don't know what is going on, why are people attacking you when all you want to do is help them? And you go so far as to state:

"I've never said anything that should make someone think that we are the only one's that know how to hit a forehand."

If I may, let me help you understand how you may have created that impression by adding two more direct quotes from you:

"I haven't seen a teaching system yet that is remotely going in the right direction."

"No coaches or this sites analysis has any clue." (sic)

So no coaches, nor any teaching system, nor Tennisplayer have any value according to your verbatim statements. But yet you claim you never made any such statement.

You'd just post Federer, you say. OK well, there are a hundred plus forehands with him at varying distances from the ball. Why don't you post one or more of the variations and comment?

Again I learn all the time from other coaches--I've presented to hundreds of them around the world and my favorite moment is when I get a question I don't have the answer to. I've learned a ton from Brian Gordon. I learn something everytime I talk to Nick Saviano--or to the junior coaches at the Easter Bowl.

So please make some coherent postive posts and site some video clips that demonstrate what you are talking about.

[holyhobo]

this guys response and yandell's are the perfect explanation that teaching systems/methods, whatever you want to call it, get so caught up in a rut. closed minded people. there is nothing perfect, but there is always room for improvement and i think that is what many of us are on here for...to find improvement through dialog.

carrerakent

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[ccrood]

everyone has somewhat of a diff hitting zone...but the fundamentals remain the same for an effective shot. are you saying what is taught across the board by most other coaches is not correct for the FH?

[carrerakent]

everyone has somewhat of a diff hitting zone...but the fundamentals remain the same for an effective shot. are you saying what is taught across the board by most other coaches is not correct for the FH?

sure, you are right, everyone's distance is different.

what i've experienced listening to other coaches, see what their students do, and such...i have yet to come across a coach or teaching system that encourages greatest amount of distance from ball. clarify( right hip from contact point) Yandell asked me to look at some Fed and post here...well i looked at many of those video clips on here yet for the 1000th time and what i realized is that in pro tennis especially, players don't have much time to read the ball and make the necessary movement to get to exactly where they would prefer to be. same with these videos of Fed. if he has time, he gets as far from the ball as he can and still maintain upper body balance to hip positioning...notice that anytime a ball gets inside of his "arm span"...even when he's farther away than most players choose, he still trys to get his hips and shoulders away so that he can utilize physics and biomechanics optimally.

what i've heard and read a little on this site is the talk about straight arm hitters. that is really missing the point in my opinion. you can hit with a straight arm still be too far or too close to the ball. i think the emphasis should be on right hip to contact point distance, then the player can utilize everything more naturally.

when my coach and one of his players were working out with Federer at Sony Ericsson for a week year before last, i spent a lot of time looking at Federer's distance when he can make the choice rather than being rushed. he sets up so that his right hip is so far away from the ball that he has to hit with not only the straight arm, but he extends through the hand/wrist. if someone has mentioned that on here i didn't notice it.

[johnyandell]

Now that is an interesting post! More later.

[holyhobo]

If fed were not to achive the body position as observed by you then he would not be able to mondo the way he does.

[holyhobo]

carrerakent

Being far from the ball will improve your forehand.(closed minded)
kindly have your coach look at the Agassi forehand. Agassi's forehand would have been far more effective against Rafa's ez balls. your coach reminds me of that crazy guy who can't stop talking about the ssc. So please for the love of tennis don't be closed minded and go around telling kids to be far from the ball. aother thing reffering to holyhobo as hollyhobo is a mindless assertion by your closed self.

[uspta146749877]

Some video reference to foolow this conversation

Now that is an interesting post! More later.

John,
probably some reference to videos would help to follow this conversation.

julian mielniczuk
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Courtside Tennis Club,Ma,Bedford

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[carrerakent]

I am not sure how to post videos from the site in here, so will try description to it...someone please tell me how to post a video in a thread. Thanks

Take this one for example:

Stroke Archive_Federer 2009_Center_FHCenter OpenStance CourtLevel Front3

Fed establishes his right hip to the contact point and maintains that distance for the shot he has chosen. He has properly aligned his hips (vs what is labeled as an open stance) with his target so now he can let his natural arm/racket arch just go along for the ride from the torque that his shoulders have produced.

Now, in this example:

Stroke Archive_Federer 2009_Center_FHCenter DowntheLine CourtLevel Front

Fed establishes his right hip too close to the ball (note: based upon video of these two guys adjusting to balls too close to their hips, agassi and roddick (and almost everyone else in the world) would have just bent their arm and pulled the arm and forced the shot to where they wanted by contracting chest, arm, and wrist muscles) Federer stays true to his form and doesn't "cheat" his stroke by "pulling" the arm, but instead by getting his center back and away so that the shoulder turn will still result in a more natural arm/racket swing.

The differences I'm pointing out here account for the ability, or inability for a player to hit his/her target repeatedly in a natural swing path. if the body is aligned properly then and only then can the racket "go along for the ride" to the contact point without unnecessary muscle contractions.

Those unnecessary muscle contractions typically result in the 4.0 of the new thread on here wondering why he plays down when he plays a weaker player and also something like Safina's inability to hit forehands in big finals. Players not using natural physics like Federer are more susceptible to "getting tight".

[uspta146749877]

Could u split a text above into shorter sentences-a bit hard 2 read

your quote
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Fed establishes his right hip too close to the ball (note: based upon video of these two guys adjusting to balls too close to their hips, agassi and roddick (and almost everyone else in the world) would have just bent their arm and pulled the arm and forced the shot to where they wanted by contracting chest, arm, and wrist muscles) Federer stays true to his form and doesn't "cheat" his stroke by "pulling" the arm, but instead by getting his center back and away so that the shoulder turn will still result in a more natural arm/racket swing.

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Could u split a text above into shorter sentences-a bit hard 2 read

julian mielniczuk
usptapro 27873
Courtside Tennis Club,Ma,Bedford

https://www.julianmielniczuk.usptapro.com

juliantennis@comcast.net

[uspta146749877]

The full link

I am not sure how to post videos from the site in here, so will try description to it...someone please tell me how to post a video in a thread. Thanks

Take this one for example:

Stroke Archive_Federer 2009_Center_FHCenter OpenStance CourtLevel Front3

Fed establishes his right hip to the contact point and maintains that distance for the shot he has chosen. He has properly aligned his hips (vs what is labeled as an open stance) with his target so now he can let his natural arm/racket arch just go along for the ride from the torque that his shoulders have produced.

Now, in this example:

Stroke Archive_Federer 2009_Center_FHCenter DowntheLine CourtLevel Front

Fed establishes his right hip too close to the ball (note: based upon video of these two guys adjusting to balls too close to their hips, agassi and roddick (and almost everyone else in the world) would have just bent their arm and pulled the arm and forced the shot to where they wanted by contracting chest, arm, and wrist muscles) Federer stays true to his form and doesn't "cheat" his stroke by "pulling" the arm, but instead by getting his center back and away so that the shoulder turn will still result in a more natural arm/racket swing.

The differences I'm pointing out here account for the ability, or inability for a player to hit his/her target repeatedly in a natural swing path. if the body is aligned properly then and only then can the racket "go along for the ride" to the contact point without unnecessary muscle contractions.

Those unnecessary muscle contractions typically result in the 4.0 of the new thread on here wondering why he plays down when he plays a weaker player and also something like Safina's inability to hit forehands in big finals. Players not using natural physics like Federer are more susceptible to "getting tight".

The full link is:

http://www.tennisplayer.net/members/strokearchive/pro_men/rogerfederer/rogerfederer_forehand/rogerfederer_fh_center/rogerfederer_fh_center.html?FedererFHCenterOpenStanceCourtLevelFront3.mov

julian mielniczuk
usptapro 27873
Courtside Tennis Club,Ma,Bedford

https://www.julianmielniczuk.usptapro.com

juliantennis@comcast.net

[uspta146749877]

Your link

Your link
Stroke Archive_Federer 2009_Center_FHCenter DowntheLine CourtLevel Front

is it Front1 or Front2 or Front3 or Front4

----> the menu has options
Down the Line

FH Center DowntheLine Front1
FH Center DowntheLine Front2
FH Center DowntheLine Front3
FH Center DowntheLine Front4