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  • #31
    Originally posted by stotty View Post
    I believe the average speed of Mensik's first serve is around 130mph while his average second serve speed is 95mph. That's a huge difference in serve speed for a tour level player, which is strange for a player with such a good serve. He's a wonderful player and will take a lot of confidence from the win. I mean, it's not as if Novak his playing badly. His last two matches in the run up to the final were superb. I tend to agree that Novak has become an amazing spot server and it's a major factor in keeping him up there with the youngsters. Looking forward to getting Sinner back and an interesting ahead...

    Tend to agree with GG that Mensik is a great mover and shows signs of becoming a great match player.
    Mensik's match success so far is largely based on an astonishing win rate in tiebreakers.

    Per Jeff Sackman, Tennis Abstract, Mensik's tiebreak record is 30-13, a 70% win rate. For context, Djoko is the all time leaker at 66% (min 400 TBs), only a handful of stars are over 60%, and non-elite players "tend to stick around 50%".

    Since Sackman has the database, he's able to pull this kind of stuff. How does Mensik's start compared to others?

    Sackman: Let's get some context. Mensik has played 43 tiebreaks, so here are the players (born 1975 or later) with the best records in their own first 43.


    Player W-L Win%

    Pablo Cuevas 33-10 76.7%
    Novak Djokovic 32-11 74.4%
    Marcelo Rios 31-12 72.1%
    Lucas Pouille 30-13 69.8%
    Jakub Mensik 30-13 69.8%
    Sergiy Stakhovsky 29-14 67.4%
    Tommy Haas 29-14 67.4%
    Sebastien Grosjean 28-15 65.1%
    Marcos Baghdatis 28-15 65.1%
    Bernard Tomic 28-15 65.1%
    Milos Raonic 28-15 65.1%
    Botic van de Zandschulp 28-15 65.1%
    Alexei Popyrin 27-16 62.8%
    Kei Nishikori 27-16 62.8%
    Roberto Bautista Agut 27-16 62.8%
    Felix Auger-Aliassime 27-16 62.8%
    Lukas Lacko 27-16 62.8%
    Philipp Petzschner 27-16 62.8%
    Kristof Vliegen 27-16 62.8%
    Dominik Koepfer 27-16 62.8%​


    Jeff's point being " Can Mensik maintain this rate?" Probably not. Djokovic couldn't. But, here's an interesting take.

    "There's another reason why Isner--and Mensik--might outperform expectations. It's not that they get better in tiebreaks, it's that their serves are so good that they don't get worse.

    "I looked at tiebreak tactics a few years ago and discovered that servers, on average, become more conservative. Rallies stretch out. Here were the key findings:

    * Serve points won -6.5%
    * Aces -6.1%
    * First serve in "1.3%
    * Returns in play +8.5%
    * Rally Length +18.9%

    So, if Mensik has the confidence to keep his first serve going in tiebreakers, his odds of continuing to win TBs at a high rate will be up.

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    • #32
      Here's Mensik's record vs Top 10 players, through Draper at Miami, i.e. not including beating Fritz and Djokovic there. Mensik is now 8-5 vs top 10 players.

      Not only does Mensik have a winning record vs the ATP Top 10, but even in the matches he lost, he's usually in the match, getting into a tiebreaker or taking a set. Two exceptions are his first at US Open vs Fritz, and Rotterdam vs de Minaur.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by jimlosaltos View Post

        Mensik's match success so far is largely based on an astonishing win rate in tiebreakers.

        Per Jeff Sackman, Tennis Abstract, Mensik's tiebreak record is 30-13, a 70% win rate. For context, Djoko is the all time leaker at 66% (min 400 TBs), only a handful of stars are over 60%, and non-elite players "tend to stick around 50%".

        Since Sackman has the database, he's able to pull this kind of stuff. How does Mensik's start compared to others?

        Sackman: Let's get some context. Mensik has played 43 tiebreaks, so here are the players (born 1975 or later) with the best records in their own first 43.


        Player W-L Win%

        Pablo Cuevas 33-10 76.7%
        Novak Djokovic 32-11 74.4%
        Marcelo Rios 31-12 72.1%
        Lucas Pouille 30-13 69.8%
        Jakub Mensik 30-13 69.8%
        Sergiy Stakhovsky 29-14 67.4%
        Tommy Haas 29-14 67.4%
        Sebastien Grosjean 28-15 65.1%
        Marcos Baghdatis 28-15 65.1%
        Bernard Tomic 28-15 65.1%
        Milos Raonic 28-15 65.1%
        Botic van de Zandschulp 28-15 65.1%
        Alexei Popyrin 27-16 62.8%
        Kei Nishikori 27-16 62.8%
        Roberto Bautista Agut 27-16 62.8%
        Felix Auger-Aliassime 27-16 62.8%
        Lukas Lacko 27-16 62.8%
        Philipp Petzschner 27-16 62.8%
        Kristof Vliegen 27-16 62.8%
        Dominik Koepfer 27-16 62.8%​


        Jeff's point being " Can Mensik maintain this rate?" Probably not. Djokovic couldn't. But, here's an interesting take.

        "There's another reason why Isner--and Mensik--might outperform expectations. It's not that they get better in tiebreaks, it's that their serves are so good that they don't get worse.

        "I looked at tiebreak tactics a few years ago and discovered that servers, on average, become more conservative. Rallies stretch out. Here were the key findings:

        * Serve points won -6.5%
        * Aces -6.1%
        * First serve in "1.3%
        * Returns in play +8.5%
        * Rally Length +18.9%

        So, if Mensik has the confidence to keep his first serve going in tiebreakers, his odds of continuing to win TBs at a high rate will be up.

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        Strange Rafa and Roger aren't on the list. Granted big serving has a lot to do with it but you also need to be a great match player to win the majority of tiebreaks you play. Roger had a great serve and was a great match player, and Rafa one of the greatest ever match players.

        I guess from the underdog's point of view you are hoping to get the a tiebreak and putting all your efforts into it once you get there...it's a game plan for the big serving underdog.
        Stotty

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