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  • BNP Paribas Open aka Indian Wells

    Indian Wells is under way and this year's event might be a bit different because, after years of complains by players, by fans, by me Indian Wells if finally changing surfaces.

    IW will replace a special version of Plexicushion with added, several grainy sand, with Laykold that potentially approximate sthe pace of the US Open courts, ast month’s Abu Dhabi Open and the Miami Open later this month.​

    Indian Wells has long been by far the slowest playing surface of any significant hard court tournament, and even slower than many clay courts, certainly than Madrid's.

    This was apparently caused by a severe case of "Bad Science", the false belief that "desert air" or similarly "dry air" is thin, causing the ball to travel much faster. In fact, even Sir Isaac Newton kew 300 years ago that humid air is denser and slows falling objects more than dry air. Alternately, some in pro tennis said the "altitude' slowed the ball. Since Indian Wells is at about 70 feet above sea level that is apparently a psychological phenomenon caused by seeing mountains surrounding the area.

    Regardless, science has finally won out against populism, in this one tiny area. Results: The courts should create more offense and skew the playing conditions away from the likes of Iga, and clay court players.

    Carlos Alcaraz is going for his third consecutive title, while Coco and Sabalenka are among the favorites on the WTA side. World number one, Jannik Sinner, is of course out with WADA suspension. He'll return presumably in time for Rome and then the French.

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    WTA betting odds at Indian Wells per MGM
    • Aryna Sabalenka (+350)
    • Iga Swiatek (+450)
    • Elena Rybakina (+800)
    • Coco Gauff (+900)
    • Mirra Andreeva (+900)
    • Madison Keys (11-1)
    • Jessica Pegula (22-1)
    • Amanda Anisimova (33-1)
    • Belinda Bencic (33-1)
    • Karolina Muchova (33-1)

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    • #3

      Men’s Indian Wells Open Betting Odds


      Carlos Alcaraz @ 3.40 (+240)

      Novak Djokovic @ 7.00 (+600)

      Alexander Zverev @ 8.00 (+700)

      Daniil Medvedev @ 12.00 (+1100)

      Stefanos Tsitsipas @ 17.00 (+1600)

      Taylor Fritz @ 19.00 (+1800)

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      • #4
        Indian Wells is one of my favourite events so I will certainly be tuning in. It's a shame Sinner is not in the event as it would make the tournament significantly more competitive. I hope Novak can find his mojo or it will be a one horse race. It takes two to tango in a really good tennis match.
        Stotty

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        • #5
          I didn't notice that Kei Nishikori was entered. Nice to see. Wins first round over Munar, 76 in world.

          I had to check. Kei's 35 years old. Seems like I've been watching him so long he should be on social security. Glad he's apparently over several injuries.

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          • #6
            For first round matches, there are some that are appealing - mainly two teenagers who just broke into the top 100.

            Southern California 19 yo Learner Tien, fresh off a top 10 win over Medvedev in Acapulco, meets Mariano Navone.

            Even younger Brazilian Joao Fonseca is on a 22-4 streak. Joao last played Jacob Fearnley, of Texas Christian U in a challenger, winning 6-3 6-3, losing only 11 pts on serve.

            New Leykold courts should help both teens, I'm guessing. Joao has all the weapons, but Tien I'm still trying to figure out what is fueling his sudden emergence. Uses the lefty game well, but is in the 'steals time' but taking balls early category. Does that extremely well off both sides.

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            • #7
              Some surprises already. Tallon Griekspoor needed 6 match points, but he took out Zverev -6, 7-6(5), 7-6(4). How often does Zverev lose two tiebeaks in a row.

              Not a surprise, but Nick Kyrgios retired after losing a first set TB to Botic long name. Sadly, we won't get to see Kyrgios vs Djoko

              Gio Perricard through in one set with a retirement by Marozsan. I want to see Gio serve to a top player.

              Paula Badosa retired as fractured back injury seems to have returned

              Of today's upcoming matches, Rune-Moutet intrigues. The prickly Frenchman gets under plaeyrs' skins and Rune has a thin one. Could be fireworks.

              Perhaps tomorrow Jack Draper vs Joao Fonseca.
              Last edited by jimlosaltos; 03-08-2025, 09:46 AM.

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              • #8
                Kyrgios looks like karma coming into play. To me the most dislikeable player ever in tennis, is getting what he deserves. Even he has to know at this point he is not competitive in ATP level tennis. He can always brag about probably being the biggest underachiever of all time. Tsitsipas looked great. I am glad he has gotten back on track with his new stick.. I like Stef. He truly wants to be his best and seems like a very likeable guy to me. Fonseca is a slight underdog vs Draper, but that one is a real toss up. Fonseca looks like a real contender here, Wait unitl the clay court swing. Oh my.

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                • #9
                  When Carlos gets into gear, the opponent must feel like a spare part. He can virtually take the racket out your hand. There have been so many great movers in tennis over the years but Carlos takes the biscuit when it comes to sheer speed. He's just fabulous to watch.

                  Haly's ball toss is way too much to the right.

                  I didn't see Kyrgios. I wouldn't take time out to watch him anymore. He did have the odd moment, though.
                  Stotty

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                  • #10
                    Fonseca had a tough ATP lesson today from a very good Draper.

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                    • #11
                      Novak was sluggish yesterday. It is going to be tough coming back from and avoiding injuries from now on. Rafa and Roger suffered from the exact same problem. They were still playing well, it's just their bodies gave out.
                      Stotty

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by stotty View Post
                        Novak was sluggish yesterday. It is going to be tough coming back from and avoiding injuries from now on. Rafa and Roger suffered from the exact same problem. They were still playing well, it's just their bodies gave out.
                        Wimbledon looking like his last hurrah.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by stroke View Post

                          Wimbledon looking like his last hurrah.
                          He could win it if he can get back to form and his body holds out long enough.
                          Stotty

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by stroke View Post

                            Wimbledon looking like his last hurrah.
                            Winning the Olympic gold last year was kind of a miracle. That really put the cherry on top of his historic career. He really has nothing left to play for at this point, and his string of recent losses indicate time has finally caught up to him. I agree that Wimbledon is the last hurrah and I thnk he should retire there. But man, what a career. I don't see how anyone ever beats his slam record.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jeffreycounts View Post

                              Winning the Olympic gold last year was kind of a miracle. That really put the cherry on top of his historic career. He really has nothing left to play for at this point, and his string of recent losses indicate time has finally caught up to him. I agree that Wimbledon is the last hurrah and I thnk he should retire there. But man, what a career. I don't see how anyone ever beats his slam record.
                              And his Master 1000's accompishments(and Nadal, to a slightly lesser extent, Fed). That is nearly as impressive as his Majors accomplishments to me. I would be very surprised if he could win Wimbledon, but he is still the number 3 betting favorite.

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