Sinner Suspension

[seano]

https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/43854993/no-1-jannik-sinner-gets-3-month-ban-doping-settlement

[jimlosaltos]

At a quick look, Sinner misses
Indian Wells, Miami, Monte Carlo, Madrid. Back by Rome before the French Open, so no 'slams missed.
So both ATP and WTA have had their top ranked player suspended for 3 months for similar "inadvertent contamination".

WADA had been seeking a full year suspension. Meanwhile, the entire Chinese olympic swimming team, 23 people, tested position for an actual PED, TMZ with no penalty at all. WADA's statement on Chinese swimmers here.

[stotty]

Mixed feelings from the players it seems: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/a...s/cz7e4l2248wo

And it is a very convenient ban. Back just in time for the FO.

[seano]

From Andy Roddick's podcast

https://youtu.be/Z6x2vVKHmkM?si=iIOClHlq_cdyeVaI

[don_budge]

Just when you think this sport cannot sink any lower...then this. Not a good look for the game. Extremely bad look. More than likely they are all doping and playing cat and mouse with the testing and the doping. As boring as Sinner is he has a great capacity to create a bad sense of excitement for the game. Rock bottom. He should have gotten six months...isn't that the standard issue?

[neilchok]

Saw live college tennis match a couple days ago and had an absolute blast. I don't think individuals make the sport of tennis. I think tennis sells itself. I think if players are doing things that are not legal get rid of them, the sport will survive. I would much rather watch a sport where everyone is clean, then watch a sport where you have a bunch of potential cheaters that are doping and doing match fixing.

Tennis is such a pure game, kind of like chess. I think it is so challenging, and a life long sport, that it can easily survive people who don't respect the game, and are doing this for just fame and things.

I think we are at a point in the game where we are starting to become more like the NBA or NFL or even MLB, and get overly commercialized. I hope this does not happen. It seems the players in the other sports don't even like to play.

[don_budge]

Saw live college tennis match a couple days ago and had an absolute blast. I don't think individuals make the sport of tennis. I think tennis sells itself. I think if players are doing things that are not legal get rid of them, the sport will survive. I would much rather watch a sport where everyone is clean, then watch a sport where you have a bunch of potential cheaters that are doping and doing match fixing.

Tennis is such a pure game, kind of like chess. I think it is so challenging, and a life long sport, that it can easily survive people who don't respect the game, and are doing this for just fame and things.

I think we are at a point in the game where we are starting to become more like the NBA or NFL or even MLB, and get overly commercialized. I hope this does not happen. It seems the players in the other sports don't even like to play.

Yeah...those were the days. College tennis in the 1970's. I was so lucky to participate in college tennis. What fun! What sport! I played number one singles for a community college in Dearborn, Michigan and went on to Ohio University in Athens, Ohio. Played number one singles there too. Number one singles my entire career, including high school. Just loved the attention. The spotlight. The pressure. Particularly the girls. A great scene. I've always said that tennis and golf are God's gift to mankind in terms of recreation. Tennis representing the finite (the specific lines) and golf representing the infinite (the open less defined space).

Interestingly enough that during my college playing days the sport was being infiltrated by the "progressives". They had the great idea that the game would be so much better off if there were drastic changes in the equipment. Enter the oversized Prince racquet. I fought against it tooth and nail. It wasn't pretty at times. I caught a lot of flack. A lot of disapproval. I stood my ground in the face of all resistance. I stood for tradition. My battle cry was..."they are taking the art out of the game". From the real game of tennis. In the end, I feel vindicated. During the years of my contributing here on the forum, I "prophesized" about the future of the game. I predicted it was looking more and more like Big Time Wrestling. They aren't done with the meddling. They took the legs out from under Davis Cup. It isn't over.

The progressives have had their hooks into tennis and society for a long time now. Right about 45 years as I see it.

"The Devils"...Fyodor Dostoyevsky 1871

"I have already hinted that all sorts of low-class individuals had made an appearance among us. In troubled times of uncertainty or transition all sorts of low individuals appear everywhere. I am not talking about the so-called "progressives", who are always in a greater hurry than everyone else (that is their chief concern) and whose aims, though mostly absurd, are more or less definite. No, I am speaking only of the rabble. This rabble, which you will find in any society, usually rises to the surface in every period of transition, and is not only without any aim, but also without an inkling of an idea, merely expressing with all its strength unrest and impatience.. And yet this rabble without realizing it itself, almost always finds itself under the command of the small crowd of "progressives", who act with a definite aim, and it is they who direct this scum where they like, provided they themselves are not composed of utter idiots, which, however happens, too." Fyodor Dostoyevsky…”The Devils”, Part III Chapter 1

[don_budge]

Yeah...those were the days. College tennis in the 1970's. I was so lucky to participate in college tennis. What fun! What sport! I played number one singles for a community college in Dearborn, Michigan and went on to Ohio University in Athens, Ohio. Played number one singles there too. Number one singles my entire career, including high school. Just loved the attention. The spotlight. The pressure. Particularly the girls. A great scene. I've always said that tennis and golf are God's gift to mankind in terms of recreation. Tennis representing the finite (the specific lines) and golf representing the infinite (the open less defined space).

Interestingly enough that during my college playing days the sport was being infiltrated by the "progressives". They had the great idea that the game would be so much better off if there were drastic changes in the equipment. Enter the oversized Prince racquet. I fought against it tooth and nail. It wasn't pretty at times. I caught a lot of flack. A lot of disapproval. I stood my ground in the face of all resistance. I stood for tradition. My battle cry was..."they are taking the art out of the game". From the real game of tennis. In the end, I feel vindicated. During the years of my contributing here on the forum, I "prophesized" about the future of the game. I predicted it was looking more and more like Big Time Wrestling. They aren't done with the meddling. They took the legs out from under Davis Cup. It isn't over.

The progressives have had their hooks into tennis and society for a long time now. Right about 45 years as I see it.

"The Devils"...Fyodor Dostoyevsky 1871

"I have already hinted that all sorts of low-class individuals had made an appearance among us. In troubled times of uncertainty or transition all sorts of low individuals appear everywhere. I am not talking about the so-called "progressives", who are always in a greater hurry than everyone else (that is their chief concern) and whose aims, though mostly absurd, are more or less definite. No, I am speaking only of the rabble. This rabble, which you will find in any society, usually rises to the surface in every period of transition, and is not only without any aim, but also without an inkling of an idea, merely expressing with all its strength unrest and impatience.. And yet this rabble without realizing it itself, almost always finds itself under the command of the small crowd of "progressives", who act with a definite aim, and it is they who direct this scum where they like, provided they themselves are not composed of utter idiots, which, however happens, too." Fyodor Dostoyevsky…”The Devils”, Part III Chapter 1

Basically it is human nature to cheat. I witnessed this first hand when the oversized racquets were introduced to the game and made legitimate. Everyone rushed to get one. It worked from the bottom up. The weaker players that needed the help the most caved in first. They couldn't get one fast enough. But the better players held out. Lendl, McEnroe, Borg and Connors being among the top players at the time and the last to switch to the cheaters. In effect...the first to switch rushed to take advantage of their opponent. They went for the instant gratification instead of opting for the blood, sweat and tears approach. No respect for tradition. Not at all. Same here with the tennis players doping. It's human nature. They think that they can get away with it and take the chance of being found out. The cheaters have it down to a science. Always staying one step ahead of the testers. Human nature doesn't set the bar to high normally. Once and while you encounter a flier. Someone who has values that supersede what the rest of the idiots are doing around them. Jannik Sinner showed his true colors. Afterall...he's human.

[neilchok]

I agree, there are multiple times I may have not been truthful on my resume to get a job. For some tennis players this is about making money and getting out of the financial conditions they were in. And maybe there are times when I myself have not been the best line caller. So I understand why people cheat, and especially if they think others are cheating.

[doctorhl]

Does anyone remember when it was not polite for the crowd to cheer for an unforced error? Is it possible for a pro game to be played with the players calling their own lines?? The humble nod of respect of a good shot has been replaced by the philistine "fist pump".

[neilchok]

I had recently heard, not to bring up a dead horse. But Sinner was not the only italian player in trouble with clostebol. I I think there was over 20 italian tennis players and 38 total italian players. Asking ChatGPT.


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[jimlosaltos]

I had recently heard, not to bring up a dead horse. But Sinner was not the only italian player in trouble with clostebol. I I think there was over 20 italian tennis players and 38 total italian players. Asking ChatGPT.


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Perhaps this is because the medication is both legal and widely available over the counter in Italy. Sinner's physio reportedly used an OTC cream on a hand abrasion and subsequently spread it to Jannik by failing to use gloves.

Clostebol is also used in several countries to "fatten meat". I'm not sure if this is a same drug, but several ATP players tested positive after eating beef in Mexico from cattle treated with a drug that is legal there.

[stotty]

Perhaps this is because the medication is both legal and widely available over the counter in Italy. Sinner's physio reportedly used an OTC cream on a hand abrasion and subsequently spread it to Jannik by failing to use gloves.

Clostebol is also used in several countries to "fatten meat". I'm not sure if this is a same drug, but several ATP players tested positive after eating beef in Mexico from cattle treated with a drug that is legal there.

I feel this is how many players can innocently get caught out. You might buy an inhaler from a particular brand in one country, then purchase the same inhaler in another country, only to find its ingredients are slightly different. Even trace amounts of a banned substance can land a player with a substantial ban. It's the innocent mistakes that worry me more than the deliberate cheating — at least in tennis.

[jimlosaltos]

I feel this is how many players can innocently get caught out. You might buy an inhaler from a particular brand in one country, then purchase the same inhaler in another country, only to find its ingredients are slightly different. Even trace amounts of a banned substance can land a player with a substantial ban. It's the innocent mistakes that worry me more than the deliberate cheating — at least in tennis.

Absolutely. Also there is the issue of cross-pollution since many medications are made in large assembly lines that handle multiple products. Given the extraordinary sensitivity of modern equipment, even trace amounts left in production equipment from one product run to the next can be detected. Add in how many supplements come from China with, shall we say, reduced standard of product quality and it's an equation for accidental exposure.

And, remember the system is quite literally "Guilty until proven innocent, or possibly even then."

[neilchok]

it seems a bit suspicious, I get your guys points. If I was a betting man, I would think this was deliberate.