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  • Saudi Push To Take Over Tennis?

    Read the article below (from the Daily Telegraph UK) about the Saudi's 2 billion dollar push to gatecrash the tour.



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    Saudi Arabia has made its move for tennis, Telegraph Sport can reveal, with a $2 billion take-it-or-leave-it offer to merge the men’s and women’s tours.

    Sources say that after the Premium Tour discussions in Indian Wells last Saturday, ATP chairman Andrea Gaudenzi asked the Masters tournaments to stay behind once the four grand slams had left the room. Gaudenzi then briefed them on an offer from Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund (PIF). The deal is said to be time-sensitive, with a 90-day expiration period if it is not accepted. As things stand, the four grand slams would not be part of this PIF offer.

    The biggest upside for PIF would be a Masters 1000 tournament in the first week of the season – which was what the Saudis have wanted all along – and is something Gaudenzi has been pushing for since last summer. However, this idea was strongly opposed by Tennis Australia boss Craig Tiley, who has established the United Cup team event in the same slot in the calendar. The resulting animosity between Tiley and Gaudenzi started the slams down the road to their so-called Premium Tour model last year.


    It now seems all the more significant that Gaudenzi did not attend January’s Australian Open along with all the other tennis stakeholders, but instead travelled to Riyadh to negotiate with PIF. A small sponsorship deal was announced last month, putting PIF branding on the ATP rankings, but that was clearly only a starting point.

    This development has the potential to cause further tension between the two tours and the four slams, especially as United States Tennis Association chief revenue officer Lew Sherr insisted the ATP and WTA chairmen should be invited to Saturday’s Premium Tour meetings as a point of courtesy.

    Now it emerges that Gaudenzi had his own unifying model up his sleeve, in which he would ascend to become a tennis commissioner for the two tours.

    The ATP had already put their annual tournament meetings back from Miami next week to Madrid in early May, which is where the decision on the PIF offer is likely to be taken.


    In a proposed new model, a Saudi Masters event would kickstart the year, and it is an open secret the WTA have already been planning to run their finals in Riyadh in early November. The new-look tennis calendar – rebranded as the PIF Tour – would now be topped and tailed by visits to the Kingdom.

    More combined events would surely be a priority, while the next lot of TV and data rights would also be a unified offering, leaving only the slams to one side. Part of the reason why this has not happened to date is that the WTA are considerably less commercially successful than the ATP, with their last known annual revenues standing at just under ?90million in 2022 to the ATP’s ?238million.

    An equal-parts merger is a hard sell to male players, as they would fear the dilution of their own market value. But a huge cash sweetener from PIF can solve that awkward dilemma.

    Gaudenzi has certainly come up with a dramatic response to the Premium Tour model, which threatens to downgrade the status of the ATP and WTA Tours. It is a characteristic move from a man with a reputation for pulling off audacious deals.

    Gaudenzi is a 50-year-old Italian with a strong sporting background, having reached the ATP Tour’s top 20 in the mid-1990s. His relations with the slams have grown somewhat frosty since the ATP voted to strip rankings points from Wimbledon in 2022 over its exclusion of Russian and Belarusian players. Last year’s run-in with Tiley over the season’s first week only worsened matters.

    As for the PIF, this bid continues the trend of Saudi involvement in sport, which has already ripped apart the golf establishment through the creation of the LIV Tour, while also attracting the biggest boxing bouts to Riyadh. In the UK, the sovereign wealth fund effectively owns Newcastle United.

    The rival Premium Tour model has not yet shown any signs of involvement with Saudi Arabia. In the parallel discussions held earlier on Saturday in Indian Wells, 10 tournaments were identified as the framework surrounding the four slams, and none of them were to be staged there.

    It’s also worth noting that, as part of last month’s ATP sponsorship deal, Queen’s was offered a significant sum to promote PIF in its courtside branding, but turned the offer down. Although the decision was taken by the Lawn Tennis Association, most insiders suspect the All England Club were consulted. In other words, Wimbledon seems to be rather more squeamish about getting into bed with the Saudis than the ATP.

    In effect, the tournaments and players who make up the tours now have two different models to choose from. The Gaudenzi gambit offers immediate Saudi cash, while the Premium Tour model requires stakeholders to believe that a streamlined, slam-led calendar would be more profitable than the status quo.

    It seems likely, in the long term, the Premium Tour might be a better solution. Yet there is also a strong chance the PIF bid will win out for reasons of expediency.​
    Stotty

  • #2
    I can't believe the tours would align with the murdering saudis. But in this world anything is possible.

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    • #3
      I see Stan Wawrinka has thrown his weight behind the prospective Saudi deal. He's also slammed the slams over their rumoured proposal of having 16-event super tour model, accusing the slams of trying wrestle power away from the ATP and have more control over the 1000 events.

      Either way it seems the tour is in for an overhaul and the tour players, like golf the players, are likely to be split on their views.

      Things work well the way they are in my view. Why play with the tour in such a way that is certain to create division?

      It's annoying. These days everything is all about money.
      Stotty

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      • #4
        Originally posted by johnyandell View Post
        I can't believe the tours would align with the murdering saudis. But in this world anything is possible.
        On one hand I can understand why johnyandell might make this statement. Many others have drawn the same conclusion. The power of information, its interpretation and its presentation. Propaganda. Advertising. Brain washing. But a comparison of US crime and Saudi crime paints another picture. One could make an argument for the "murdering Americans" too. Disclaimer: Not to be construed as a political post. I don't claim to be an expert in the moral rankings of different countries and human beings in general. Human nature being what it is...human nature. Race? How about the "human race"?

        Intentional homicide rate, Murder rate, Murder rate per million people, Guns per 100 residents, Crime levels and 60 More Interesting Facts and Stats


        The LIV golf tour seems to have come off without a hitch in relation to moral high ground. They are certainly giving the PGA Tour a race for their money. Money being what it is. Modern sports are all about "SHOW ME THE MONEY" ala "Jerry Maguire". You cannot serve two God's...you know.
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        • #5
          It's causing quite a stir! Players might be a bit hesitant, but seriously, who can resist that kind of cash? Gaudenzi seems to be making some bold moves here.

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          • #6
            Sadly, it all come down to money...at least in most cases. The Saudis know this and have plane loads of cash (which might be better spent on their own population) to throw around like confetti at a wedding. Gaudenzi - with a axe to grind so I'm told - seems held bent on making it happen.
            Stotty

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            • #7
              Originally posted by stotty View Post
              Sadly, it all come down to money...at least in most cases. The Saudis know this and have plane loads of cash (which might be better spent on their own population) to throw around like confetti at a wedding. Gaudenzi - with a axe to grind so I'm told - seems held bent on making it happen.
              Since you posted, the WTA announced a several year deal to have its year-end round robin final in Saudi Arabia.

              Prize money is larger than that of the ATP's year-end event. Presumably maintaining top 8 player format.

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              The agreement with the Saudi Tennis Federation will offer record prize money of $15.25 million at the WTA Finals in 2024 with further increases in 2025 and 2026. The partnership will also support broader investment in the future development and growth of women’s tennis, including the WTA’s plans to grow the global fanbase for women’s tennis through increased investment in marketing, digital and fan engagement.

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              • #8
                Observe the ups and downs of the pro pickleball tour(s). It will be interesting to see ( if we live long enough!) if their uptrend is sustained and observe if they avoid any of the stumbles of the Open Era in tennis or manage a completely different path.

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                • #9
                  BBC has critical meetings taking place during Madrid that might determine a go-no go on Saudi's "Super Tour". Again, blames Craig Tilley for kicking off the cycle.

                  The structure: "feature 96 men and 96 women and run over at least 10 days. With echoes of golf, annual tour cards would be issued to just 64 players.

                  A second tier, given the working title of the Contender Tour, would operate events that currently possess ATP and WTA 500 status. There would be promotion and relegation each season, plus end-of-year play-offs, and eight weeks off at the end of the year. The future of doubles has not yet been formulated, and crucially no finance raised to match the suggestion the top players will earn more for playing less."

                  A key point here, which the PTPA cohort doesn't understand, is that an optimal business model for professional tennis does not require more than 200 players, if that many. Fans will pay egregious amounts to see the top few, and won't show up to watch numbers 100 play 200 for free. It's remarkable the current model has lasted as long as it has.

                  This comes during reports that LIV's attempted takeover of pro golf is not working out well for anyone, other than a few names that got big, start-up deals. Fans/Dollars suffering.

                  Cons from BBC: "

                  “The Premium Tour will not happen for sure - I am convinced,” said the owner of one tournament that is likely to be significantly affected by the proposals. “The players will not agree - because the players, they need to play. A guy ranked 50 or 60 is going to lose every first or second round, so he will not be able to keep his ranking. Their aim is to have the most number of jobs during the year. The Premium Tour will be for the top 20 players, that’s all.

                  ​Physics version of term "metastable"

                  1. (of a body or system) having a state of apparent equilibrium although capable of suddenly changing to a more stable state​ through infusion of a small amount of energy. {Or oil Billion$}.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jimlosaltos View Post
                    BBC has critical meetings taking place during Madrid that might determine a go-no go on Saudi's "Super Tour". Again, blames Craig Tilley for kicking off the cycle.

                    The structure: "feature 96 men and 96 women and run over at least 10 days. With echoes of golf, annual tour cards would be issued to just 64 players.

                    A second tier, given the working title of the Contender Tour, would operate events that currently possess ATP and WTA 500 status. There would be promotion and relegation each season, plus end-of-year play-offs, and eight weeks off at the end of the year. The future of doubles has not yet been formulated, and crucially no finance raised to match the suggestion the top players will earn more for playing less."

                    A key point here, which the PTPA cohort doesn't understand, is that an optimal business model for professional tennis does not require more than 200 players, if that many. Fans will pay egregious amounts to see the top few, and won't show up to watch numbers 100 play 200 for free. It's remarkable the current model has lasted as long as it has.

                    This comes during reports that LIV's attempted takeover of pro golf is not working out well for anyone, other than a few names that got big, start-up deals. Fans/Dollars suffering.

                    Cons from BBC: "

                    “The Premium Tour will not happen for sure - I am convinced,” said the owner of one tournament that is likely to be significantly affected by the proposals. “The players will not agree - because the players, they need to play. A guy ranked 50 or 60 is going to lose every first or second round, so he will not be able to keep his ranking. Their aim is to have the most number of jobs during the year. The Premium Tour will be for the top 20 players, that’s all.

                    ​Physics version of term "metastable"

                    1. (of a body or system) having a state of apparent equilibrium although capable of suddenly changing to a more stable state​ through infusion of a small amount of energy. {Or oil Billion$}.
                    There are some goods things and not so good things about the proposals. My biggest concern would be the unnecessary division it would create between the top 20 or 30 players and the rest of the field. It's unwarranted because standards are so high in the top 100, so why take away that interest. I like the idea of merging the WTA and ATP tournaments. It would help the women's game a lot to do that.
                    Stotty

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by stotty View Post

                      There are some goods things and not so good things about the proposals. My biggest concern would be the unnecessary division it would create between the top 20 or 30 players and the rest of the field. It's unwarranted because standards are so high in the top 100, so why take away that interest. I like the idea of merging the WTA and ATP tournaments. It would help the women's game a lot to do that.
                      Yes, ATP and WTA have to merge or WTA has to find more revenue.
                      Best tournaments by any metric have men and woman, and this is a key differentiator from other sports fighting for TV and fan attention.
                      Tennis is losing the battle for media attention. Yet again, ESPN cancelled coverage of both tours because of 1) Lack of viewers {children's baseball outdraws tennis on TV) and 2) inability to schedule events. Media, fans and sponsors don't want to pay to watch world number 100 play world 199.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jimlosaltos View Post

                        Yes, ATP and WTA have to merge or WTA has to find more revenue.
                        Best tournaments by any metric have men and woman, and this is a key differentiator from other sports fighting for TV and fan attention.
                        Tennis is losing the battle for media attention. Yet again, ESPN cancelled coverage of both tours because of 1) Lack of viewers {children's baseball outdraws tennis on TV) and 2) inability to schedule events. Media, fans and sponsors don't want to pay to watch world number 100 play world 199.
                        We are going to have to agree to disagree on this. The WTA is just not self sufficient. The ATP is.

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                        • #13
                          Just published by Futterman on The Athletic:

                          "In a thinly veiled warning that could portend an increasingly nasty battle between two of the most powerful entities in tennis, the owners of the Australian Open have notified the leadership of the men’s tour that they would consider any attempt to schedule a tournament in Saudi Arabia during the first week of the season as a request for a potential “breach” of an existing contract between the two organizations.​"

                          and:

                          "Tennis Australia sent the message last week, in a letter notifying the ATP Tour that it had decided not to bid to host the proposed event. However, the Australians also used the letter, a copy of which The Athletic has reviewed, to outline their staunch opposition to the ATP Tour’s plans. They sought to make it clear that the tour should seriously consider the consequences of its efforts to disrupt a professional tennis calendar that now kicks off entirely in Australia and New Zealand, headlined by the United Cup, a mixed-team international event that began last season and attracts some of the top players in the world.

                          “Tennis Australia has an existing agreement with the ATP and the WTA for the United Cup in Week 1, which is active through 2029 with options to extend,” Jayne Hrdlicka and Craig Tiley, the chair and chief executive of Tennis Australia, wrote in the letter dated April 24. “The players value the event, as does Tennis Australia.”

                          “We do not enter agreements lightly and neither do we take lightly being asked to breach an existing agreement.”

                          The letter is the latest salvo in a 10-month battle that began as a fight about the start of the season but has turned into a duel over control of the sport between the Grand Slams and the ATP and WTA tours."

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