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I think you are spot on with your take on her motion. There is no doubt that all the best servers base their motion on this complete internal and external shoulder rotation. The extreme examples of players that do this the best, Roddick, Sampras, somewhat obscure ex player Wayne Arthurs, Goran, are the best servers in the history of tennis.Last edited by stroke; 05-08-2023, 02:45 AM.
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Interesting take on Sabalenka's serve. `Forum members have certainly been busily typing away with their remedies.
For me the ISR killers are:- When the grip is slightly errs towards a forehand grip (think Andy Murray)
- Ball toss too far in front
- Ball toss too far to the right
- A previous coach who encouraged slice by instructing to hit around the outside of the ball
But if it isn't the first four, then why? Why do some players have better ISR than others? What in the windup makes a player go into perfect ISR and and what in the windup makes it go wrong? The answer - one would think - lies somewhere in the windup and possibly the stance. Either that or it's genetics.
Great article as always. John certainly knows how to get us all thinking.Last edited by stotty; 05-08-2023, 06:31 AM.Stotty
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Originally posted by stroke View PostOr Tsitsipas with at least a Murray type service grip. And Nishikori. Of course, it sure did not effect Becker's final product.
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Originally posted by jimlosaltos View Post
Do I correctly recall that Becker had a "hammer grip". At least it was called that back then, fingers closed in a fist. Might not relate to your point about it leaning toward the forehand side?
The trouble with coaching is that some sod will always come along to put the spanner in all the theories and make something unacceptably silly work. Then every Tom, Dick and Harry starts running around with their hands up saying "Look he does it the wrong way". My answer is always ''Look...some get away with it...most don't''.
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Originally posted by stotty View PostInteresting take on Sabalenka's serve. `Forum members have certainly been busily typing away with their remedies.
For me the ISR killers are:- When the grip is slightly errs towards a forehand grip (think Andy Murray)
- Ball toss too far in front
- Ball toss too far to the right
- A previous coach who encouraged slice by instructing to hit around the outside of the ball
But if it isn't the first four, then why? Why do some players have better ISR than others? What in the windup makes a player go into perfect ISR and and what in the windup makes it go wrong? The answer - one would think - lies somewhere in the windup and possibly the stance. Either that or it's genetics.
Great article as always. John certainly knows how to get us all thinking.
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Originally posted by doctorhl View Post
I agree completely with John and you. Please excuse my esoteric questions, but do either of you have any sense of whether the great ISR servers had early sport overhand experiences with throwing or striking something?Stotty
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Originally posted by stotty View Post
Not that I know of. It's a mystery to me why some players seem (as far as I can determine) to hit all the right positions yet don't achieve full arm, hand, racket rotation. I sometimes wonder if it's because players try to be too muscular around the point of impact - just a hunch, no evidence.
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jySendme some video of your serve. jyandell@tennisplayer.net and copy videotennis@metricmail.com
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When you consider how critical the leg drive is and how hard it can be to rectify once it's out of synch, it might be better to teach the serve from the hesitation point to begin with, right at the start of a player's development. Otherwise we are relying mostly on good genetics to get it right...and even with good genetics there is an element of pot luck about it, particularly with the girls.
I have been trying this for six months now (with my more patient and dedicated juniors) and having better results than merely demonstrating a serve and asking the student to watch carefully and do the same. Basically there is very little point moving on until the upper body and legs are synched.Last edited by stotty; 05-15-2023, 12:57 PM.Stotty
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Originally posted by stotty View PostWhen you consider how critical the leg drive is and how hard it can be to rectify once it's out of synch, it might be better to teach the serve from the hesitation point to begin with, right at the start of a player's development. Otherwise we are relying mostly on good genetics to get it right...and even with good genetics there is an element of pot luck about it, particularly with the girls.
I have been trying this for six months now (with my more patient and dedicated juniors) and having better results than merely demonstrating a serve and asking the student to watch carefully and do the same. Basically there is very little point moving on until the upper body and legs are synched.
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